Lorne: Once the word spreads you beat up an innocent old man, well, the truly terrible will think twice before going toe-to-toe with our Avenging Angel. Spike: Yes. The geriatric community will be soiling their nappies when they hear you're on the case. Bravo.

'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'


Non-Fiction TV: I Reject Your Reality and Substitute My Own

This thread is for non-fiction TV, including but not limited to reality television (So You Think You Can Dance, Top Chef: Masters, Project Runway), documentaries (The History Channel, The Discovery Channel), and sundry (Expedition Africa, Mythbusters), et al. [NAFDA]


Jesse - Jun 30, 2008 5:37:11 am PDT #5727 of 23273
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

sumi, you raise good points, but 45 minutes to plan and prep 12 dishes? I still say that's a bad challenge.

Yeah, that's a good point -- I was going to say that the quick version of slow things is the Rachael Ray mission statement, but she only makes one plate. And, of course, has more time to plan out what she's doing, I'm sure!


Jessica - Jun 30, 2008 5:45:41 am PDT #5728 of 23273
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

And, of course, has more time to plan out what she's doing, I'm sure!

She rehearses every step of every show over and over and over to get it to time - I've never made anything of hers the first time in less than 45 minutes, simply because I don't have a full-time staff in my kitchen making sure that all the mise-en-place I need for dinner are right in the front of the fridge when I need them!


brenda m - Jun 30, 2008 5:48:30 am PDT #5729 of 23273
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

they should have somehow plated the three types of poultry together. My feeling was that you get the duck, the chicken and the turkey - cook them separatey but plate them so you can get a bit of all three together. Layer them maybe.

If they'd done a roulade with the same stuffing wrapped in the turkey breast, I bet they'dve had a better reception. It's not just the ingredients - they needed to make at least a nod to the original construction, which is after all the entire point of the thing.

But that's where they run into problems - at 45 minutes, you barely have time for the actual cooking process let alone the construction. I'm betting that with even an hour or 90 minutes they would have seen substantially better dishes.


Vortex - Jun 30, 2008 5:50:29 am PDT #5730 of 23273
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Plus, there's the "I'm just going to finish up ____ during the break, and we'll be back. [commercial] Okay, during the break, I slaughtered a pig and made sausage, and sliced it up and threw it in the pan with our mushrooms and onions . . ."

I think that a lot of that stuff takes more than 2 minutes.


megan walker - Jun 30, 2008 7:03:34 am PDT #5731 of 23273
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I haven't watched yet, but I think this is the worst crop of NFNS contestants they've ever had. It's the first season I can remember where I'm not rooting for anyone.

I only watched this one because it was the BA challenge. Nothing I saw made me want to watch more. At least I thought Amy and some of the others last season could teach me something about cooking.

That challenge was crazy and uneven. Beef Wellington was by far the easiest to adapt. The whole point of Coq au vin is that it cooks for a long time. I thought the judges had ridiculous expectations--they seemed to want the exact same dish, not just an interpretation.

Also, who the hell opens a juice jar by smashing it against the stove? Even if she had a hard time opening it, wasn't there a sink right there?

I don't have a full-time staff in my kitchen making sure that all the mise-en-place I need for dinner are right in the front of the fridge when I need them!

Sous Kitchen, I love you sooooo much!


brenda m - Jun 30, 2008 7:06:06 am PDT #5732 of 23273
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

The whole point of Coq au vin is that it cooks for a long time.

Though last year Amy did a quicker version using a chicken and they stomped her for it. Even she didn't do it in 45 minutes, though.


megan walker - Jun 30, 2008 7:08:34 am PDT #5733 of 23273
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Though last year Amy did a quicker version using a chicken and they stomped her for it. Even she didn't do it in 45 minutes, though.

Don't even get me started on the concept of making coq au vin with a chicken.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 30, 2008 7:19:23 am PDT #5734 of 23273
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Don't even get me started on the concept of making coq au vin with a chicken.

Wait, what is it supposed to be? I thought coq a vin was literally "chicken with wine".


megan walker - Jun 30, 2008 7:22:37 am PDT #5735 of 23273
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Coq au vin is made with an old rooster, the older the bird, the richer the sauce, that is, if it is allowed to marinate and cook for a long time.


Kathy A - Jun 30, 2008 7:23:33 am PDT #5736 of 23273
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

According to America's Test Kitchen, Coq Au Vin is chicken with red wine, but the traditional French chicken--a 5-year-old rooster that's a tough old bird but turns fork tender with long cooking in wine.

(They did a much faster skillet version with the young birds usually found in the supermarkets today.)