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Non-Fiction TV: I Reject Your Reality and Substitute My Own

This thread is for non-fiction TV, including but not limited to reality television (So You Think You Can Dance, Top Chef: Masters, Project Runway), documentaries (The History Channel, The Discovery Channel), and sundry (Expedition Africa, Mythbusters), et al. [NAFDA]


Jesse - Nov 23, 2010 5:28:16 am PST #15722 of 23273
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I wish they would go back to having a rotating judge slot.


smonster - Nov 23, 2010 5:40:38 am PST #15723 of 23273
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Me too, Jesse.


Amy - Nov 23, 2010 5:44:26 am PST #15724 of 23273
Because books.

I prefer Mia over Mary. Mary is a good judge, but I can't stand the shrieking.


zuisa - Nov 23, 2010 7:14:51 am PST #15725 of 23273
call me jacki; zuisa is an internet nick from ancient times =)

I actually sort of enjoy Mary's shrieking. I find her insanity endearing, for some strange reason. I adore the majority of Mia's choreography, but I didn't enjoy her as much on the judging panel.

But I'm also pretty sure that there's nothing in the world that could damage my love for SYTYCD.


le nubian - Nov 23, 2010 8:43:30 am PST #15726 of 23273
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

My issue is that Mary doesn't shriek when she goes on SYTYCD Australia or Canada, so this is a uniquely American artifact. She is so knowledgeable and such a good judge out of the country.


zuisa - Nov 23, 2010 8:48:16 am PST #15727 of 23273
call me jacki; zuisa is an internet nick from ancient times =)

I did not know that! That changes my opinion a bit, then. I assumed that we had to have the shrieking if we wanted the legitimate ballroom critique. Does she think she's fulfilling some sort of American quota that says there must be one insane judge on every reality show panel?


le nubian - Nov 23, 2010 8:58:22 am PST #15728 of 23273
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I think the producers must encourage her behavior. She is a really thoughtful, mature person in interviews and elsewhere. Only on the show, after season 3 or so did she turn into a crazy person.


kat perez - Nov 23, 2010 3:56:30 pm PST #15729 of 23273
"We have trust issues." Mylar

If you put all the shrieking and the hot tamale train aside, Mary is a really good judge on most things and the only judge on the panel who ever truly critiques ballroom accurately. I get annoyed with her often, but I missed her on panel last year. If we have to have a permanent judge panel, I'd take Mary over Mia all day long and twice on Sundays.

Mia is a great choreographer. Even when I don't like her routines, I respect them and they challenge me to think while I'm watching. However, I find her to be a terrible, terrible judge. She is biased towards one particular type of dance and type of dancer and she just can't see past that. She has black male dancer issues that are deep and somewhat unpleasant. She makes snap judgements about dancers and she never likes to admit that she's wrong. She coddles the untrained dancers and pumps them up as being "raw" and "authentic" until they get to the stage where they threaten her favored pets (who invariably have training and get her crunchy, modern style) and then she turns on those untrained gems viciously and does everything she can to break them down. She . . . yeah, I have issues with her as a judge. Honestly, I'm glad she's going. Hope she sticks around as a choreographer, though.

While she's on the way out, she can take Shankdaddy. I love him, but he's been beyond disappointing as a permanent part of the panel. Which is a shame because I thought his guest stints on the panel were fantastic, and that even though he poured fuel on the whole "Danny is arrogant" fire. I think as a permanent member of the panel, he started treating the kids more like a director than a judge, if that makes sense. He still gave good critique sometimes, but it was more formative than summative, which is great if you are a an artistic director trying to develop dancers in your company but terrible if you are a reality show judge.

I want Nigel and a panel of rotating guest judges just like the good old days. Mary can come along some weeks. Adam can come back after a long enough break. I would kill to see BFree on the panel again. He's such a little freak. Even though I hate him as a choreographer, I miss Dan Karaty as a judge. Yes, he was a lech and watching him drool over the girls was sometimes uncomfortable, but he was also brutally honest and not afraid to bring the pain on fools when it was warranted. I like Toni on the panel. And when are we going to get more of Ms. Debbie Allen? Seriously, what does a sister have to do? I'm sure there are other folks who can be (or have been) good in the past, too.


brenda m - Nov 23, 2010 4:02:07 pm PST #15730 of 23273
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I tried to watch the show since people here love it so much but the shrieking was so unbearable I couldn't do it.


meara - Nov 23, 2010 4:32:41 pm PST #15731 of 23273

And Lil' C! I want Lil' C back on the panel. Just for shits and giggles.