Congratulations to the class of 1999. You all proved more or less adequate.

Snyder ,'Chosen'


Non-Fiction TV: I Reject Your Reality and Substitute My Own

This thread is for non-fiction TV, including but not limited to reality television (So You Think You Can Dance, Top Chef: Masters, Project Runway), documentaries (The History Channel, The Discovery Channel), and sundry (Expedition Africa, Mythbusters), et al. [NAFDA]


kat perez - Oct 28, 2009 8:07:51 pm PDT #11576 of 23273
"We have trust issues." Mylar

I guess I'm just inclined to think ill of the show where this is concerened because they have done it in the past, most egregiously with faboo dancer and S4 champion Joshua. I suppose they feel like it makes for a better storyline, but I just can't abide it. Lots of people train in different styles but are pretty mediocre at things outside of their specialty. It's still pretty fucking incredible to be that good at so many different styles of dance. Most especially given the time frame that these kids have to pick up unfamiliar styles. It's just so unnecessary to pretend like these kids have less training than they actually have. Down with the krumpwashing!

And even if Russell has been co-opted into walking it back (and I think he has done so), I'd be very surprised if he weren't doing it in response to producer manipulation.


Lee - Oct 28, 2009 9:10:50 pm PDT #11577 of 23273
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Top Chef: I like that it seemed to be both Mike's food and his attitude that got him sent home over Robin.


sumi - Oct 28, 2009 10:04:32 pm PDT #11578 of 23273
Art Crawl!!!

Yes - excellent elimination on TC.

I don't get why there was so little in the way of starch. Pasta or rice or couscous all would have made sense to me.


flea - Oct 29, 2009 3:03:03 am PDT #11579 of 23273
information libertarian

There is an entire PhD's worth of material in SYTYCD's treatment of issues of race, class, masculinity, and sexuality in the male dancers. Looking at the "street" dancers from this season alone, Legacy is clearly by FAR the least trained - I would honestly be surprised if he's had any formal classes at all. It's obvious by his struggles in Vegas. Russell was shown in Vegas wearing capri-length skin-tight leggings (not very street!) - I'm *sure* he's had ballet. (I do think he hasn't had any ballroom classes, but that's not unusual for many of the dancers - I doubt most contemporary dancers have had any ballroom to speak of.)

I honestly think this is one reason the male dancers are more interesting in many ways - dance is societally problematic for straight males, especially straight males of color.


le nubian - Oct 29, 2009 4:04:36 am PDT #11580 of 23273
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Agreeing with above comments on SYTYCD. They have this weird dichotomy they need to work out for themselves: they praise dancers who are well-trained (Travis, Danny, etc.), and they like to feign amazement when hip-hop/street dancers are well-trained (although aren't we supposed to be about celebrating good training?).

Add to this the inconsistent judging and it really is a mess. I hope Russell does well and makes it far because I really like him. They have some really strong, male dancers this year.


Jesse - Oct 29, 2009 5:23:29 am PDT #11581 of 23273
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I've been trying to read into Jen's TC interview segments -- is she giddy because she's relieved to have been kicked off, or has she gotten her mojo back and is happy because she's in the finals after all?


Amy - Oct 29, 2009 5:51:06 am PDT #11582 of 23273
Because books.

Hard to say, Jesse. Interesting idea, though.

It's been hard to watch her the last two episodes -- she really does look like she's given up.


sumi - Oct 29, 2009 6:34:03 am PDT #11583 of 23273
Art Crawl!!!

I hope she's gotten her mojo back!


Frankenbuddha - Oct 29, 2009 9:45:21 am PDT #11584 of 23273
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

It's been hard to watch her the last two episodes -- she really does look like she's given up.

Or seriously, seriously exhausted.

However, I'm hoping this explains a cryptic (at the time) comment Tom C. made in an interview about this season.


Nora Deirdre - Oct 29, 2009 4:54:53 pm PDT #11585 of 23273
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Did anyone see that crazy promo for that crazy Top Chef Reunion dinner? Cutting to Carla v. Casey? AWK-ward.