When you look back at this, in the three seconds it'll take you to turn to dust, I think you'll find the mistake was touching my stuff.

Buffy ,'Lessons'


Non-Fiction TV: I Reject Your Reality and Substitute My Own

This thread is for non-fiction TV, including but not limited to reality television (So You Think You Can Dance, Top Chef: Masters, Project Runway), documentaries (The History Channel, The Discovery Channel), and sundry (Expedition Africa, Mythbusters), et al. [NAFDA]


quester - Aug 06, 2009 3:29:17 pm PDT #10144 of 23273
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I've been a vegetarian, but I was always a little confused about vegans. The non-dairy stuff made some kind of sense, it's milk that wasn't intended for humans, the eggs were intended to be chicken embryos, but the honey never made sense.


Hil R. - Aug 06, 2009 3:36:41 pm PDT #10145 of 23273
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

If you really want to start a vegan war sometime, call someone a welfarist. "Welfarist" is the term that the animal abolitionist people use to describe people like me who think that, while it would be great if everyone would stop eating meat, that's not going to happen any time soon, and passing laws banning gestation crates or mandating a certain amount of land per animal on a farm and other things like that are useful and good things to work on in the meantime. They use the same word to describe someone who goes hunting on weekends, has a pet dog, and sends a check for $20 to the ASPCA every once in a while. They'd say that laws about the treatment of farm animals that still allow those animals to be killed just let omnivores think, "Well, it's OK to eat that meat, because it comes from a happy cow," and that advocating those sort of measures is ultimately counterproductive.

Also, although it's not an "official" part of veganism, a lot of vegans will try to buy organic produce and produce from smaller farms as much as possible, and one of the reasons is that the larger farms are often pretty sketchy with following labor laws and the farm workers at non-organic farms are often exposed to dangerous levels of pesticides. With the way our food system is structured, where you can buy a jar of spaghetti sauce that might have ingredients grown in seven different countries, trying to have a diet free of human exploitation is actually much more difficult than trying to have a diet free of animal exploitation, since, unless you're a locavore, it's nearly impossible to actually find out about the conditions of the workers who grew and processed everything you're eating.


Amy - Aug 06, 2009 4:02:25 pm PDT #10146 of 23273
Because books.

Wow, America is weird. Kayla's in LAST place?


quester - Aug 06, 2009 4:09:38 pm PDT #10147 of 23273
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I'm really nervous about these results.


le nubian - Aug 06, 2009 4:13:09 pm PDT #10148 of 23273
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Amy,

Nigel has admitted (at least one previous season) that the order in which people are excused in the final 4 show may not reflect the "real" rankings.

I don't know what to think about that.


quester - Aug 06, 2009 4:16:38 pm PDT #10149 of 23273
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

Thank you, America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Amy - Aug 06, 2009 4:20:08 pm PDT #10150 of 23273
Because books.

Nigel has admitted (at least one previous season) that the order in which people are excused in the final 4 show may not reflect the "real" rankings.

Seriously? That's ... unsettling.

Guess Evan's not winning. I'm okay with that.


le nubian - Aug 06, 2009 4:23:47 pm PDT #10151 of 23273
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

when kat shows up (she of the memory like a steel trap), might remember what I'm talking about. I think it was Lacey's season, but I'm not sure.


le nubian - Aug 06, 2009 4:27:30 pm PDT #10152 of 23273
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Mia never did choreograph Brandon did she?


flea - Aug 06, 2009 4:42:46 pm PDT #10153 of 23273
information libertarian

I missed the beginning - did they redance the Travis-choreographed piece? I came in at the paso doble.