Ah, yes, of course. The gypsies, they gave you your soul. The gypsies are filthy people. Ptui! We shall speak of them no more.

Ilona Costa Bianchi ,'The Girl in Question'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Theodosia - Jul 06, 2003 2:20:19 am PDT #5485 of 9843
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I know there's been some towns in New England that have gotten into the news recently for asking nicely "No more refugees, please!" but that's because a town of 10K's social services gets strained beyond belief when 500 Somali refugees go there over a three year period. If there somehow was an assigned number of 5 Somalis per Maine town it would be less of a strain, but of course refugees being human like anyone else, they would prefer to be able to continue personal and social ties with their own people.

California really did try to ban giving state social services to illegal immigrants, including medical care -- can you imagine the public heath nightmare that would have caused? Not to mention the whole moral bankruptcy issue.


Fiona - Jul 06, 2003 2:42:21 am PDT #5486 of 9843

Also, IME, the point about genuine refugees is that they are usually fairly attached to their homes, and tend to want to get back there asap. Economic migration is a whole other issue, but as a rule all immigrants are referred to in the same terms; and I don't know about other countries but here "asylum seeker" is virtually a term of abuse.

It's the racism (im- or explicit) which gets me though too. There's a huge movement of population within Europe all the time, but somehow that doesn't count.


Penny B. - Jul 06, 2003 8:50:07 am PDT #5487 of 9843
Nobody

[Or, to be shorter-winded, chaos isn't an inevitable consequence of immigration, and there are social gains as well as social costs.]

Yeah, but Betsy, you're talking about dusky people who believe in all kinds of outlandish deities and spice their food with saffron and equally subversive ingredients.

(also a bit bitter)

(perhaps atop of Canada, considering their current shameless lack of pandering to their illustrious neighbour)

A few months ago I read some right-wing Canadian pundit (Yes, we have them too. Sigh.) go on about how Canada has to choose whether it will follow the U.S. or follow Europe. He was very huffy about the need to keep the U.S. happy and very dismissive about liberal "European" values.

Digression 1: Why does Canada have to follow someone. Can't we be our own damned country?

Digression 2: Wasn't the U.S. originally designed to be the most liberal country on earth? What happened to that? Why do people assume that Europe is liberal, what with the rise of anti-Semitism and all?

Anyhow, shortly after that column was published, Canada's Supreme Court made its interesting gay marriage ruling. I am crossing my fingers for minimal backlash, both within and without Canada.


Megan E. - Jul 06, 2003 10:43:00 am PDT #5488 of 9843

Yeah, but Betsy, you're talking about dusky people who believe in all kinds of outlandish deities and spice their food with saffron and equally subversive ingredients.

And they might even do... YOGA!


Penny B. - Jul 06, 2003 10:45:52 am PDT #5489 of 9843
Nobody

Geez, thanks, Megan. Now I don't know whether to laugh my ass off or build a bunker.


Megan E. - Jul 06, 2003 10:50:42 am PDT #5490 of 9843

You can come and stay in my bunker if you like.


Holli - Jul 06, 2003 10:50:55 am PDT #5491 of 9843
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

Would the bunker have room for the rest of the board? If so, I'm all for it-- I can't think of a group of people I'd rather ride out an apocalype with.

And in totally unrelated news, I've come across Aussie Rules football on Channel 98. This may be my new favorite sport, mostly because the uniforms are skimpy and the athletes are hot. Also, the referees wear funny hats.


Fay - Jul 06, 2003 10:52:44 am PDT #5492 of 9843
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Sweet merciful heavens, Megan. That is one fucked up site, and no mistake.


Megan E. - Jul 06, 2003 10:54:43 am PDT #5493 of 9843

You can say that again!


Daisy Jane - Jul 06, 2003 1:14:16 pm PDT #5494 of 9843
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

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Quick. Somebody get ita.