Ah, yes, of course. The gypsies, they gave you your soul. The gypsies are filthy people. Ptui! We shall speak of them no more.

Ilona Costa Bianchi ,'The Girl in Question'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Rio - Jun 30, 2003 3:07:04 pm PDT #5402 of 9843
Are you ready to be strong?

What does the "for a game of soldiers" part mean?


evil jimi - Jun 30, 2003 4:27:23 pm PDT #5403 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

in my world it translates to, "bugger that for a fucking stupid idea" ... as in, being a soldier and being shot at and blowed up is a stupid idea :)


Angus G - Jun 30, 2003 4:28:19 pm PDT #5404 of 9843
Roguish Laird

I love juxtapositions of sublime and ridiculous. I love language, and action, and bravado. I love storytelling, and I love swashbuckling

But Fay, Wimbledon has all these things!


Am-Chau Yarkona - Jun 30, 2003 10:37:13 pm PDT #5405 of 9843
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

What does the "for a game of soldiers" part mean?

My impression is that it's "a silly thing"-- compare the similar expression "bugger this for a lark", which I sincerely hope refers to a lark in the "silly game" sense rather than a bird.


Leigh - Jul 01, 2003 5:42:31 am PDT #5406 of 9843
Nobody

Hmm, I just saw Shiny Happy People and twas interesting, if not a particularly great ep. Some people apparently found it dreadfully boring, but I was too busy have naughty thoughts about worshiping Gina Torres to engage the higher brain functions which recognise things beyond 'Guh'. Okay, I was de-thralled momentarily by the ugliness of the yellow shirt, but it went away before I needed to pull out a fork.

I also loved Fred, and I've decided that I love Fred in general, gorgeous vengeful sweetie that she is--plus, she shot Angel and made him change out of the blinding shirt of pain, so extra bonus points for that. Oh, and I like Connor again, poor lonely boy. (My rage is odd and fickle, and I should probably do well to remember that before I bother getting so het up about things--because while on one hand he's a bit slow on the uptake, on the other, his life has fucking sucked.)

This next bit contains end of season spoilers: Being spoiled made watching this episode particularly sad w/r/t Connor. Poor Bon Bon--I think of all the Jossverse characters, Connor got the worst deal. To have even the remotest chance at happiness, he has to give up everything which made him who he was and even that's going to be fucked over at some point, one imagines. Angel's running a close second in terms of life suckitude, I think, but he at least got to have 25 plus something years where all his problems were of the type that could be mollified by strong alcohol.


sumi - Jul 01, 2003 5:45:06 am PDT #5407 of 9843
Art Crawl!!!

Not really spoilery but a reply to something that is so:

Well, plus Angel had another 100-some years of greatly enjoyed unlife.


Leigh - Jul 01, 2003 5:54:41 am PDT #5408 of 9843
Nobody

Huh, that's true. Makes you wonder how much of Angel's extensive guilt stems from him feeling bad about all the dead people, and how much is related to the fact that he probably has creepy fond memories of how they got to be dead in the first place.


Emlah - Jul 01, 2003 6:33:54 am PDT #5409 of 9843
To every idea a shelf...

Re: Shiny Happy People...

I have to admit, I found the episode pretty boring. I mean, it was confusing and disturbing and some cool things happened, but, ultimately, I was bored. I fidgeted and clock-watched, rarities when it comes to Buffy and Angel. But I'm willing to forgive it because I'm guessing the show is gearing up for bigger and better things.

I really liked the vampire bowling at the start. I like being reminded just how grotesque and evil vampires can be, but in a kind of ridiculous way. Plus it was From Dusk Til Dawn ish, which gave me happy flashes to dirty, snarky, tattooed George Clooney.

I liked Fred in this episode too. I especially liked how how she shot at Jasmine without dithering when she saw the others turning on her.

I'll be interested to see if the jasmine flowers have a significance beyond becoming her name. It was mentioned so many times. Also, I have a vague memory of Drusilla talking about jasmine to Angel or Angelus at some point in Buffy. Anyone else remember which episode this was in... or if it even happened at all? I might have made it up. Mmmmmmmm, imaginary canon.

The yellow shirt was indeed frightening. I loved Fred's red jacket though.

And I'm studiously avoiding the spoily talk..... It's so hard staying spoiler-free, knowing that all my questions could be answered in an hour or so of gluttonous reading.

Edited because italics must not be allowed to roam free...


Leigh - Jul 01, 2003 6:44:27 am PDT #5410 of 9843
Nobody

which gave me happy flashes to dirty, snarky, tattooed George Clooney.

Mmm, Clooney. Though From Dusk Till Dawn gave me paranoid fantasies that someone had spiked my drink, since the sudden genre shift from criminal caper movie to 'we're stuck in Mexico with a bunch of vampires' occured while I was watching it at two in the morning in an empty house.

And I'm studiously avoiding the spoily talk..... It's so hard staying spoiler-free, knowing that all my questions could be answered in an hour or so of gluttonous reading.

Oh, and such answers...Mmmm, spoilers. They don't make crack this good. t /taunt taunt taunty taunt


Kate P. - Jul 01, 2003 6:49:34 am PDT #5411 of 9843
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Thanks for the explanation of "bugger that for a game of soldiers," an expression I also love. Now here's a question that's been bugging me for some time...

What the freaking hell is "spotted dick"?! And what could possibly possess people to bestow that name upon a foodstuff?