Ben: I didn't ask for any of this. I just want to be normal. Gronx: I wanted to be an underwear model. We play the hand we're dealt.

'Touched'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Frankenbuddha - Jun 16, 2003 5:53:32 am PDT #5101 of 9843
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I figured out pretty early on that the reason the characters exist is so that the writers can torture them.

Well sure, but this could be the Mutant Enemy mission statement.

They're all rather passive; stuff keeps happening to the characters, rather than the characters causing stuff to happen.

This part, not so much.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Jun 16, 2003 5:54:49 am PDT #5102 of 9843
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

It was more of a how anything from the UK is seen as automatically better, even if it isn't considered much back home.

Replace 'UK' with 'US' and you have a general idea of how many British critics view what we get. Not all of them, but there's a definate trend to say "of course, the Americans make better TV".


Tom Scola - Jun 16, 2003 5:56:06 am PDT #5103 of 9843
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

They're all rather passive; stuff keeps happening to the characters, rather than the characters causing stuff to happen.

This part, not so much.

Are you referring to Mutant Enemy, or SFU? I gave up on SFU pretty early on, it may have got better in this regard.


billytea - Jun 16, 2003 5:56:30 am PDT #5104 of 9843
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Well sure, but this could be the Mutant Enemy mission statement.

Hell, it describes the bulk of the Bible.


Leigh - Jun 16, 2003 6:26:51 am PDT #5105 of 9843
Nobody

Well sure, but this could be the Mutant Enemy mission statement.

Yeah, but I think the key difference for me is the part where ME characters are likeable, and thus watching them suffer should be sad, or something. Okay, I lie, it's television and Angel suffers real pretty, so 'sad' isn't the word, but Willow suffering makes me cry like a little girl.


meara - Jun 16, 2003 6:27:23 am PDT #5106 of 9843

But you have the powerful military! And the obsession with family values! And the mad emperor trying to make his horse a senator, I tell you it all fits!

OH dear god! We are!!

And count me as another puzzled non-lover of 6FU. For some reason I keep watching it, hoping I'll like it more, but...it just doesn't move me. I can't explain why, but I do love Lauren Ambrose, so...

Though having watched it did make seeing Sports Night on DVD really weird--I kept thinking of Peter Krause as just waiting to break out into Nate-ness, and he wouldn't!


Tom Scola - Jun 16, 2003 6:38:06 am PDT #5107 of 9843
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Okay, I lie, it's television and Angel suffers real pretty, so 'sad' isn't the word,

Well there's torture, and then there's torture. If the characters in 6FU wore leather and chains, I probably would enjoy it a whole lot more. It's just that their suffering seems so pointless.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 16, 2003 6:49:37 am PDT #5108 of 9843
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

They're all rather passive; stuff keeps happening to the characters, rather than the characters causing stuff to happen.

This part, not so much.

Are you referring to Mutant Enemy, or SFU? I gave up on SFU pretty early on, it may have got better in this regard.

Sorry it wasn't clearer but I meant ME - their characters aren't passive.

And I can definitely see that take about most of the 6FU characters. I can't quite articulate why I do like 6FU, but Trudy's comment on hyper-reality probably comes closest. Granted I find, say, Wes Anderson's version of hyper-reality quite a bit more interesting, but I also can't get a weekly dose of Wes Anderson (or at least new Wes Anderson), and I find 6FU compelling for the same reasons I enjoy The Royal Tennenbaums. I don't think it's anywhere as good, but while I may not like many of the characters much on 6FU, I really like all the actors.


Trudy Booth - Jun 16, 2003 6:52:01 am PDT #5109 of 9843
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I find 6FU compelling for the same reasons I enjoy The Royal Tennenbaums

YES! It is precisely that!

I love it when an author creates a little world and sucks me in. When it's an odd little world I love it even more.


§ ita § - Jun 16, 2003 6:52:39 am PDT #5110 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I've tried to like 6'U, but I keep forgetting to watch it again, which doesn't speak well for it. I mean, I can remember to watch Mutant X two weeks in a row. Hell, I have TiVo, and I still never manage to do it.