I'm so sorry, but if it makes you feel any better, my fun-time-Buffy party night involved watching a robot throw Spike through a window, so if you want to trade... no wait, I wouldn't give up that memory for anything.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


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§ ita § - May 13, 2003 2:16:26 pm PDT #4753 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Burrell, were you to accept blame, you'd have to be creating it. I assigned nor assumed none.

But now I have somewhere to start resolving the blank space.


Burrell - May 13, 2003 2:21:08 pm PDT #4754 of 9843
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Burrell, were you to accept blame, you'd have to be creating it. I assigned nor assumed none.

Okay. No blame. I can handle that.


Typo Boy - May 13, 2003 2:26:47 pm PDT #4755 of 9843
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

OK - so you are saying nind-body dualism is gendered. OK - I can get that. (If you define it that broadly I can think of at least one woman-written seires with a posltive take 0n Anne McCafferies Ship Who Sang series.)

Even so I'd have to concede your large point. Mind and Body seperate , mind good, body bad is almost always a male thing.

Where maybe we would have a difference (and maybe not) is that the particular example of heads in a jar is almost always portrayed as horrific. I mean I can't think of a case where head in a jar was portrayed positively in fiction. (Doesn't mean there isnt one. I just can't think of one.) I think the particular tropes of head in a jar or bodiless heads in general - to the extent that they deal with mind body dualism they do so critically. But I'm not wedded to this. It just never occurred to me that this was ever seen positively (the head-in-the-jar trope, not mind/body dualism in general.)


Burrell - May 13, 2003 2:34:31 pm PDT #4756 of 9843
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I mean I can't think of a case where head in a jar was portrayed positively in fiction.

My point was that it has been entertained in fact, or at least in theory, fairly often, often enough to indicate that there is a sizable number of the intellectual community that finds it a plausible enough idea to investigate.


Sophia Brooks - May 13, 2003 2:39:58 pm PDT #4757 of 9843
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Although, my only experience in reading the head in a jar thing was A Wrinkle in Time, which is by a woman.

not really argueing that it seems to be a male things, though. I have personally wondered, however, around the 7th grade, whether my life was real or whether I was dreaming it and would eventually wake up. Or maybe my dreams were real and the life was fake.


Cindy - May 13, 2003 3:14:49 pm PDT #4758 of 9843
Nobody

I have personally wondered, however, around the 7th grade, whether my life was real or whether I was dreaming it and would eventually wake up. Or maybe my dreams were real and the life was fake.

I did that in my first grade class. I can remember where I was sitting, who was around me, and how the room looked (not really detailed or anything, just lighting, etc.). It creeped me right out. My son asked me about that sort of thing this year, and he's in first grade, which got me creeped out all over again.


DXMachina - May 13, 2003 5:51:00 pm PDT #4759 of 9843
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

You know I don't want to defend Niven about anything. Put it this way - he is so far to the right I prefer Heinlein.

Are you sure you're not mistaking Niven for Pournelle?


Typo Boy - May 13, 2003 10:02:45 pm PDT #4760 of 9843
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

No - I agree Pournelle is worse. The way I'd put it is that Heinlein was right-wing libertarian. Niven is very conservative, to the right of libertarians. Pournelle is a reactionary, to the right of conservatives. Anderson is (well was) also a reactionary, but tempered with a genuine humanitarianism and hatred of cruelty.


evil jimi - May 13, 2003 11:21:36 pm PDT #4761 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

Amy Flower, over at DVD.net.au, has posted her review of the Season 6 Part 1 box set. As usual, it's a great read. Check out her reviews for Seasons 2 - 5 starting here. There is no review for Season 1, unfortunately.

"Angel is broody" *snerk*


Nilly - May 14, 2003 12:26:06 am PDT #4762 of 9843
Swouncing

I have personally wondered, however, around the 7th grade, whether my life was real or whether I was dreaming it and would eventually wake up. Or maybe my dreams were real and the life was fake.

One of my most vivid childhood memories is of a Passover holiday we spent at my grandmother's (the one who passed away six weeks ago). I was four years old, and my father took me to bed before the 'Seder' was over, because I nearly fell asleep at my seat. Ever since then, and for years, I couldn't shake the feeling that all that is happening to me is, in fact, part of the dream the four-year-old me is dreaming at my grandmother's, and that I can wake up at any minute from it.