But I understand. You gave up everything you had to find me. And you found me broken. It's hard for you.

River ,'Safe'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

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Burrell - May 13, 2003 2:34:31 pm PDT #4756 of 9843
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I mean I can't think of a case where head in a jar was portrayed positively in fiction.

My point was that it has been entertained in fact, or at least in theory, fairly often, often enough to indicate that there is a sizable number of the intellectual community that finds it a plausible enough idea to investigate.


Sophia Brooks - May 13, 2003 2:39:58 pm PDT #4757 of 9843
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Although, my only experience in reading the head in a jar thing was A Wrinkle in Time, which is by a woman.

not really argueing that it seems to be a male things, though. I have personally wondered, however, around the 7th grade, whether my life was real or whether I was dreaming it and would eventually wake up. Or maybe my dreams were real and the life was fake.


Cindy - May 13, 2003 3:14:49 pm PDT #4758 of 9843
Nobody

I have personally wondered, however, around the 7th grade, whether my life was real or whether I was dreaming it and would eventually wake up. Or maybe my dreams were real and the life was fake.

I did that in my first grade class. I can remember where I was sitting, who was around me, and how the room looked (not really detailed or anything, just lighting, etc.). It creeped me right out. My son asked me about that sort of thing this year, and he's in first grade, which got me creeped out all over again.


DXMachina - May 13, 2003 5:51:00 pm PDT #4759 of 9843
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

You know I don't want to defend Niven about anything. Put it this way - he is so far to the right I prefer Heinlein.

Are you sure you're not mistaking Niven for Pournelle?


Typo Boy - May 13, 2003 10:02:45 pm PDT #4760 of 9843
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

No - I agree Pournelle is worse. The way I'd put it is that Heinlein was right-wing libertarian. Niven is very conservative, to the right of libertarians. Pournelle is a reactionary, to the right of conservatives. Anderson is (well was) also a reactionary, but tempered with a genuine humanitarianism and hatred of cruelty.


evil jimi - May 13, 2003 11:21:36 pm PDT #4761 of 9843
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

Amy Flower, over at DVD.net.au, has posted her review of the Season 6 Part 1 box set. As usual, it's a great read. Check out her reviews for Seasons 2 - 5 starting here. There is no review for Season 1, unfortunately.

"Angel is broody" *snerk*


Nilly - May 14, 2003 12:26:06 am PDT #4762 of 9843
Swouncing

I have personally wondered, however, around the 7th grade, whether my life was real or whether I was dreaming it and would eventually wake up. Or maybe my dreams were real and the life was fake.

One of my most vivid childhood memories is of a Passover holiday we spent at my grandmother's (the one who passed away six weeks ago). I was four years old, and my father took me to bed before the 'Seder' was over, because I nearly fell asleep at my seat. Ever since then, and for years, I couldn't shake the feeling that all that is happening to me is, in fact, part of the dream the four-year-old me is dreaming at my grandmother's, and that I can wake up at any minute from it.


§ ita § - May 14, 2003 7:05:12 am PDT #4763 of 9843
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Don't wake up, Nilly! We like you here.


Jim - May 14, 2003 7:14:13 am PDT #4764 of 9843
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

mean I can't think of a case where head in a jar was portrayed positively in fiction

Hmm. There's probably one in Iain M Banks.


Noumenon - May 15, 2003 2:34:41 am PDT #4765 of 9843
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

So, how 'bout that war?

(not trying to pull Fiona's chain... more like moonlit's. Where did she go? <sad face>)