Angel: He is dead. Technically, he's undead. It's a zombie. Connor: What's a zombie? Angel: It's an undead thing. Connor: Like you? Angel: No, zombies are slow-moving, dimwitted things that crave human flesh. Connor: Like you. Angel: No! It's different. Trust me.

'Destiny'


Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


Nutty - Aug 14, 2003 12:22:10 pm PDT #6090 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Plagiarism, I think, is covered under fraud, isn't it? Representing another person's work as your own is fraud. When you see authors get yelled at in the newspapers for making up quotes, they get censured by the court of their peers, and sometimes their publisher goes ape, but they don't get taken to court unless they're actually -- fraudulently -- trying to make money off something whose money rightfully belongs to someone else.


Fay - Aug 14, 2003 12:32:46 pm PDT #6091 of 10000
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Ego gratification for getting praise, even if you stole the work. People are weird that way.

Yeah. Yeah, I guess. Mad. You'd think there'd be easier ways, you know?


amych - Aug 14, 2003 12:34:57 pm PDT #6092 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Someone (an author (and a crappy one)) told me that actual plagiarism could be avoided by changing one word in four.

Bullshit, but an incredibly common misconception -- when I was teaching writing and research to college students, I'd say a clear majority of them came in with ideas like this.

Which seems terribly unlikely ... is there a legal definition out there?

Not that I can recall.


DavidS - Aug 14, 2003 12:38:40 pm PDT #6093 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I think for plagiarism you need to establish a pattern of using phrases verbatim.


§ ita § - Aug 14, 2003 12:39:27 pm PDT #6094 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So if you change every happy to glad, every he to she ... reckon you can skate by?


Theodosia - Aug 14, 2003 5:36:18 pm PDT #6095 of 10000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

The only scenario I can imagine being plausible in the "I borrowed unconsciously" excuse sweepstakes is perhaps where you started out by copying out passages from the original work, meaning to change them (in a more than every-four-words manner) and then lost track about what had been changed and what hadn't, to the point that you thought that what was left was all yours.

I expect this method makes more sense to me because I really have some large prose constructions (can't call them stories, most of them are unfinished) that I've completely forgotten writing. Since I don't plagiarize, and they're in my personal files, they damn well belong to me, but reading them is not unlike reading somebody else's work, I have no idea what the author was thinking when she wrote that stuff, and if the plot is unfinished, I have only my current guesses as to what the original ending was planned to be.


P.M. Marc - Aug 14, 2003 5:59:20 pm PDT #6096 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Latitude and Buttery both updated, and a link to Big Sexy Man has been added to the Adamao home page.

As always, you got fanfic or essays relating to Buffy/Wes, Spred, Gunn, blah blah blah, or you want to beta or something, just gimme a shout.


Rebecca Lizard - Aug 15, 2003 5:26:08 am PDT #6097 of 10000
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

Plei, I don't think I ever asked you-- what was your reason for choosing the word "Adamao"? I like it, but I'd never heard it before.

On the unconscious- word-lifting front: my mother always mentions the time she read the phrase "earwax the consistency of guava jelly" twice in the same week in two completely different books by two very different authors. One must have read the other first, and later forgotten where they'd gotten such a striking phrase....


Anne W. - Aug 15, 2003 5:34:06 am PDT #6098 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I always worry if a clever phrase that I think I've invented actually comes from somewhere else, like this board, Terry Pratchett, etc.

One time I used a particular turn of phrase, and got the nagging feeling that I'd read it in another fanfic. As it turns out, I very nearly plagiarized myself.

Oops.


§ ita § - Aug 15, 2003 5:35:36 am PDT #6099 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Earwax the consistency of guava jelly? That's going to stay with me for a while. Jellylike earwax?

Eww.