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Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


P.M. Marc - Aug 14, 2003 5:59:20 pm PDT #6096 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Latitude and Buttery both updated, and a link to Big Sexy Man has been added to the Adamao home page.

As always, you got fanfic or essays relating to Buffy/Wes, Spred, Gunn, blah blah blah, or you want to beta or something, just gimme a shout.


Rebecca Lizard - Aug 15, 2003 5:26:08 am PDT #6097 of 10000
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

Plei, I don't think I ever asked you-- what was your reason for choosing the word "Adamao"? I like it, but I'd never heard it before.

On the unconscious- word-lifting front: my mother always mentions the time she read the phrase "earwax the consistency of guava jelly" twice in the same week in two completely different books by two very different authors. One must have read the other first, and later forgotten where they'd gotten such a striking phrase....


Anne W. - Aug 15, 2003 5:34:06 am PDT #6098 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I always worry if a clever phrase that I think I've invented actually comes from somewhere else, like this board, Terry Pratchett, etc.

One time I used a particular turn of phrase, and got the nagging feeling that I'd read it in another fanfic. As it turns out, I very nearly plagiarized myself.

Oops.


§ ita § - Aug 15, 2003 5:35:36 am PDT #6099 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Earwax the consistency of guava jelly? That's going to stay with me for a while. Jellylike earwax?

Eww.


Consuela - Aug 15, 2003 6:46:14 am PDT #6100 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I have to stop arguing with people who don't get it.

If you only lift selected phrases and the basic concept of the story, and don't acknowledge the inspiration, it's still plagiarism. Really. You don't need entire paragraphs to make it plagiarism. And the more phrases you borrow, the less verbatim the borrowing has to be.

Also, just because fic is copyright infringement, it's not plagiarism unless the writer claims it's their own. (Which, um, would be antithetical to the very concept of derivative fiction, but never mind.) Fic is infringement, infringement != plagiarism. And if you think plagiarism in fic is okay because we're all infringers and adopters, that's fine. But it's still plagiarism.

Gah.

t /rant


P.M. Marc - Aug 15, 2003 7:52:28 am PDT #6101 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Plei, I don't think I ever asked you-- what was your reason for choosing the word "Adamao"? I like it, but I'd never heard it before.

I think it was mainly knowing the word and liking the way it felt with all the vowels. I wanted something short enough for me to type on a regular basis, where the meaning was there, but not entirely obvious.

I have to stop arguing with people who don't get it.

Ugh. I've been following this from the corner of my attention span, and I think I'll be thunking my head repeatedly.


brenda m - Aug 15, 2003 2:28:46 pm PDT #6102 of 10000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

If you only lift selected phrases and the basic concept of the story, and don't acknowledge the inspiration, it's still plagiarism. Really. You don't need entire paragraphs to make it plagiarism. And the more phrases you borrow, the less verbatim the borrowing has to be.

This is what I was always taught. In fact, even if none of it is verbatim, if you're taking the idea, if you're taking the structure, and you're not acknowledging it, you're out of line.

Sounds like the HP instance that first came up is way beyond this, though. Is there such a thing as Fic-Libs? Add a name, some places, and a couple of adverbs to your favorite fic...Presto! You're an author!


Consuela - Aug 16, 2003 10:35:13 am PDT #6103 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Yet another plagiarism instance! This one's a doozy. An online magazine with a stated focus on first Amendment issues, and apparently run by a high school student, accepted for publication an X-Men slash piece (M/X) for its July issue.

Except the piece had previously been posted in its entirety a year ago to a number of XM archives and lists.

When the writer of the original story went to the webzine and asked them about it, the plagiarist claimed she had handwritten copies of the story and could post them as proof, and the editors insisted on spending a week investigating the issue before taking the story down.

The kicker? The plagiarist forgot to take the original writer's email address off the story. When people brought that up, she claimed the original writer had hacked her Yahoo account.

Oy. Links to all of this may be found via metablog.

I'm still waiting for the first instance where someone steals posted fic, changes the names, and sells it to a magazine as original fiction. It's probably happened already, but nobody's noticed (yet).


esse - Aug 16, 2003 12:02:27 pm PDT #6104 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

I keep reading about the plagiarism stories. It's just so crazy.


DavidS - Aug 16, 2003 5:27:46 pm PDT #6105 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

It's scary since you're unprotected as a Fic writer. Can't be much legal recourse since they aren't legally your characters.