(Er, well, I've seen that kind of argumentation out of Jen before. Then again, I suppose it's never hard to bring in the snotty when arguing on the internet.)

Actually, I'm a little mystified. I have deep and serious objections to RPF, but this is not a new topic at all. (I mean, I'm sort of annoyed at the intent of her theses, because she seems to speak quickly past what I still think are legitimate objections, but mostly, I'm just like, Dude, didn't we just have this argument? 100 billion times?)

Also, even deeply squicked as I am by RPF, I can reasonably grasp that the person being responded to sounds crazy. I've always been a little unclear on the point in arguing with crazy people. Like trying to sweep the beach clean, you know?

What Lyra Jane and Nutty said.

Especially on the

I'm just like, Dude, didn't we just have this argument? 100 billion times?

Also, even deeply squicked as I am by RPF, I can reasonably grasp that the person being responded to sounds crazy. I've always been a little unclear on the point in arguing with crazy people. Like trying to sweep the beach clean, you know?

Well, if some of your best RL friends had just been tarred in a long, long and sadly now-locked rant, you might have been a little pissed, too. (I think the summation is up on Journal Fen) And she's a crazy person with enough of a fanbase that it all sort of crossed over into our other kerfuffle from the weekend.

The person was not unknown to me, as a result of some of her other rants; she tends to write long, self-righteous defenses of her own harassment of writers who write things she disagrees with. As someone who has written RPF (though, of course, probably not the type people think of when they think RPF) AND non-con fic, which are her two bugaboos, I've found her offensive and incomprehensible before, and loved seeing her get a taste of her own medicine.

I'm just like, Dude, didn't we just have this argument? 100 billion times?

Ah, fandom, where you get to have the same argument over and over and over...

See also: "Xander lied!"; "It was rape!"; "Joss hates lesbians!"; "Why should I spellcheck, it's only a story."; "Slash is AU!"; "Mulder was abused!"; "BuffyNAngle4Evah!"; "Doggett sux!", etc ad infinitum.

Hm. So, the intent of the essay was to tar her back, the intended audience everyone who is already annoyed by her? I mean, I think the crazy person in question won't see the error of her ways, and anybody who is a slavish worshipper of a crazy person is probably also a hopeless case.

I don't know -- isn't arguing to convince people who already agree with you a waste of time? I can see getting something on the public record to the effect that no, Crazy Argument #1 is not going to go unchallenged, but after that, it's sort of wanking.

Pretty much. And it's total wank made for the record.

Crazy person's response, FWIW, was something like "you can't understand, because you're a Spike hater who defends RPF."

Only longer and more wanky.

but after that, it's sort of wanking.

Yeah, it is. But you know, after the way the orignal argument-maker wrote about and treated a subject I'm closely acquainted with, I was inclined to appreciate the wanking as it voiced frustrations and concerns I wasn't able to formulate after I read ginmar's post. Comparing me to a rapist? Not cool. Someone who defends my right to right and read what I choose with intelligent (if, okay, somewhat pretentious) points and arguments? Much appreciated.

Ah, fandom, where you get to have the same argument over and over and over...

Yo, this is why I'm keeping my head down and writing spy porn.

Not that I particularly need a reason to be so self-indulgent, and Jesus Christ, I just realized that it's going to up the fandom count to 17. We're definitely sailing aboard the HMS Crackwhore.

You're just jealous that I was starting to catch up.

(Get Weiss Laid! It ought to be an official challenge or something.)

You're just jealous that I was starting to catch up.

We were neck and neck for a bit there, weren't we? And I seem to recall not a little bit of egging-on.

I'm not sure if Get Weiss Laid is official or not, as I seem to remember Celli posting about it, but livejournal has been freaktastic all day.