You know, my big sister could really beat the crap out of her. I mean, really really.

Dawn ,'Storyteller'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


DavidS - Oct 27, 2003 10:10:38 am PST #6211 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

but the majority of S4? It hit my pattern recognition circuits hard.

Yeah? Not me. I found myself at the end of the season feeling like I had to leap over huge plot-holes of illogic to get to the end. The whole "Jasmine planned it" not-technically-a-retcon bugged me. It didn't satisfy my questions about how two vampires conceived, or what exactly happened to Connor at the end, or what was going on with Cordy's ascension. It just didn't make sense to me and the explanations seemed utterly hollow.


sumi - Oct 27, 2003 10:17:14 am PST #6212 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

And it all starts right away with Cordy magically re-appearing without her memory in Slouching Toward Bethlehem.


joe boucher - Oct 27, 2003 10:24:46 am PST #6213 of 10001
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine

The whole "Jasmine planned it" not-technically-a-retcon bugged me.... It just didn't make sense to me and the explanations seemed utterly hollow.

Preach, Manservant, preach! Whatever the reasons for the screwiness & failings of the Connor storyline -- bad idea from the outset (IMO), difficulties w/ the cast (CC's fall from favor), poor execution of the arc, distractions from Buffy ending/Firefly starting/WB dicking around w/ Angel, [insert your favorite scapegoat here] -- don't give us a half-assed "oh yeah, we had it all planned from the beginning" spiel that prompts one of two reactions: a) you're lying or b) if all that was planned maybe you'd like to reconsider & say you made it up as you went along so we can give up attempts to shoehorn it into a logical framework.


sumi - Oct 27, 2003 10:25:43 am PST #6214 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

There were a bunch of different show-runners last season too, weren't there?

(Or am I mis-remembering?)


§ ita § - Oct 27, 2003 10:26:02 am PST #6215 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Even if it was all planned from the beginning, it still doesn't make sense. I needed to feel the impact of the agency, and of the motivations of the individual steps (still not sure on why we lost the sun).

Planned all along? I'd have been fine with it if THE PLAN HAD MADE SENSE.


DebetEsse - Oct 27, 2003 10:31:52 am PST #6216 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Shit. I started it again. And in Buffy, even. Sorry.

Edit: I'm not sure what of S4 is kosher in here. Someone else want to figure out what should be white-fonted?


Lyra Jane - Oct 27, 2003 10:38:28 am PST #6217 of 10001
Up with the sun

I think all of S4 is off-limits, including the cast changes. I'm not sure for how long because I don't know if/when it will air in other countries.


P.M. Marc - Oct 27, 2003 10:39:01 am PST #6218 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I think all of S4 is off-limits, including the cast changes. I'm not sure for how long because I don't know if/when it will air in other countries.

S5 is, not S4 by our rules.


Lyra Jane - Oct 27, 2003 10:40:09 am PST #6219 of 10001
Up with the sun

Sorry, Plei. I meant S5. I'm just sleepy and overwhelmed and not much with the thinking clearliness.


P.M. Marc - Oct 27, 2003 10:41:41 am PST #6220 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Sorry, Plei. I meant S5. I'm just sleepy and overwhelmed and not much with the thinking clearliness.

'sokay.

Trying to keep track of multiple place spoiler cutoffs is crazy-making. (I *think* S3 AtS and S6 BtVS are okay now on BBF... I think.)