Sure, but they're not coerced/guilted into it with no hope of getting out before they die. There is some hope they'll get out alive--not so with the slayer. They're a band of brothers, not one girl in all the world. They're fighting in a cause that is acknowledged to their families, friends and the outside world. They aren't alone.

The hope that they will get out alive is just hope and faint at best. Many many of those guys didn't come back. We all die alone. Most of them were drafted, put through intense training by assholes they hated, then led to their deaths. In her fight, the Slayer faces her odds in smaller numbers and isn't likely to be killed in any other way than face-to-face, on her own terms. She always has a Watcher, and while these people always seem to be stuffy British people, lots of stuffy British people are wonderful, without being blessed with Californication in their lives to make them acceptable to the viewing public. The Slayer's war has to be secret, so that ordinary people can live the ordinary lives she is fighting for. She's like a spy in that way. Live and die anonymously, but for a vital cause, nonetheless.

The hope that they will get out alive is just hope and faint at best. Many many of those guys didn't come back. We all die alone. Most of them were drafted, put through intense training by assholes they hated, then led to their deaths.

But being a slayer is like being the Pope. Being a soldier at least has the glimmer of hope, and an end-date, if you're fortunate enough to make it. This is apples and oranges, John. You're the slayer until you die. There are plenty of retired soldiers. There was never any such thing as a retired slayer, because of the nature of the beast. You stop fighting the forces of darkness, and they gain in numbers and kill you anyhow. That was the only way to get a new slayer.

Right. If a slayer were a soldier, she'd be able to say, "when X Objective is attained, I'll be done." There's no clear final objective in the slayer battle, unless someone is ambitious enough to take on the First or something.

Also the part where you don't recruit a spy without the spy's consent. It's too intellectually and emotionally demanding a job to be done unconsenting, and anyway, the spy could just embezzle money and flee to Kuala Lumpur. (Sadly, I gather this is not an option for slayers.)

It is an inherited thing with the watchers, isn't it?

Well, I imagine it's inherited the way being a firefighter or a circus clown is inherited. You grow up seeing it done; it's a slightly insular culture; you follow in your family's footsteps.

Or you go to university, start smoking dope, and summon Eyghon. Or what if Giles had run away to become a clown!

That's in the US. Now.

They're fighting in a cause that is acknowledged to their families, friends and the outside world. They aren't alone.

I started to comment on this combination, but I started getting lost in my own words. So I'll summarize -- different times, different cultures and mindsets even during the same time (compare 2003 U.S. with, say, 2003 Iraq, just for simplicity's sake). Different levels of opportunities for women mean the idea of being the Slayer may be more or less appealing to certain types of women. Not sure there really is any universal answer.

Well, I imagine it's inherited the way being a firefighter or a circus clown is inherited. You grow up seeing it done; it's a slightly insular culture; you follow in your family's footsteps.

Giles' line in Restless, "Blood of the lamb and all that," always made me wonder if there was more to it.

But being a slayer is like being the Pope. Being a soldier at least has the glimmer of hope, and an end-date, if you're fortunate enough to make it. This is apples and oranges, John. You're the slayer until you die. There are plenty of retired soldiers. There was never any such thing as a retired slayer, because of the nature of the beast. You stop fighting the forces of darkness, and they gain in numbers and kill you anyhow. That was the only way to get a new slayer.

How is it oranges? They are soldiers, she is a soldier. They are forced to go to war, she is coerced to go to war. They both could flee to Canada, and while we suspect the Council would try to kill her to force the line to continue, they didn't hunt her in LA between Becoming and Anne/DMP, so clearly there is slack. Soldiers who retired from WW2 and other big conflicts were the exceptionally lucky ones. How many units were completely wiped or suffered enormous casualties?

The Slayer gets to be a "hot chick with superpowers" to take the load off. Post-traumatic stress, amputations, Gulf War syndrome -- very very few come back unharmed to a "normal" life even if they live.

Yes, the Slayer gig is an unlucky roll of the dice, but it also means being Chosen to serve in an extraordinary manner. In a way that will help many people's lives. You make a difference in a daily way. Sure, the forces of darkness might keep coming, but like a cop or a firefighter, you can change a life right now.

Yes, the Slayer gig is an unlucky roll of the dice

Is it, necessarily? Imagine being a girl in a culture where women are expected to shut up and bear children for the husbands their parents picked out for them at age 5. Compared to that, a more assertive woman might see the Slayer as an attactive option.

How is it oranges? They are soldiers, she is a soldier.

She is alone. They have bands of brothers.

They are forced to go to war, she is coerced to go to war.

They have at least a promised end date, while she does not.

They both could flee to Canada, and while we suspect the Council would try to kill her to force the line to continue, they didn't hunt her in LA between Becoming and Anne/DMP, so clearly there is slack.

Faith had already been called by the time Buffy fled to LA. It was an unusual situation to have even two soldiers.

Soldiers who retired from WW2 and other big conflicts were the exceptionally lucky ones. How many units were completely wiped or suffered enormous casualties?

How many more died than lived? Do you have stats?

Signed,

Daughter of a WWII and Korean Navy Veteran, granddaughter of two WWI army veterans

What I am saying is that they are signed up under completely different circumstances, fight in completely different ways, and one goes in with the hope of getting out (and knows plenty of others have before him) and living the rest of his life a free man.

The slayer is called, told she's the only one, and is in it until she dies.

How do you like them apples? :)

Or was, when Wesley and Giles weren't the only watchers on this earth (to my knowledge).

Interesting question. Just how many Watchers ARE left? Wes, Giles, Robson, that guy that works for W &H...

cereal...

The Slayer gets to be a "hot chick with superpowers" to take the load off. Post-traumatic stress, amputations, Gulf War syndrome -- very very few come back unharmed to a "normal" life even if they live.

And if she lives to 25, she's damned lucky, and nobody in her world can know what she does, she doesn't get pay. She doesn't get a pension. She doesn't get a parade.

Is it, necessarily? Imagine being a girl in a culture where women are expected to shut up and bear children for the husbands their parents picked out for them at age 5. Compared to that, a more assertive woman might see the Slayer as an attactive option.

Yes, in individual circumstances, I would imagine there were always slayers who were grateful for the rescue from their culture's expectations and demands, but what about the traditional women who wanted to live those lives? What about the women who were ostracized because of their strength?