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Okay, I adore Cindy's post with big buckets of adoration, cause my brain has those kind of arguments. (Only not so funny)

For me, Xander is the biggest 'whap him over the head' candidate. Every time, I hear that 'So your honey was a demon. Most girls don't jump on a greyhound bus out of boy troubles,' I'm just *grrrrrrr, snarl, grrr*. I have this entire rant I shout at Xander(every time I see the episode), but you can probably live without it, it's not very coherant.

Much like this post.

You know, many of us listen to the little voices in our heads. Cindy has the few who actually post their conversations.

DMP is also one of those episodes that always reminds me, in sort of a more mundane way than the big trauma episodes like Becoming, just how invested I am in these characters.

Yup. One of my favourite scenes in BtVS is in Revelations, when the gang are in the library having an argument. The central figures being Buffy and Xander. Unlike most shows when friends argue, you can really feel the passion behind the gangs anger. And you can see both sides or all sides of the arguements. The big bust up in Becoming is a cracker as well "You just want your boyfriend back."

That was back in the days when Xander had things to do and say. Even if he was being an arse. And even though he was being an arse he had understandable motives

Oh, and Cindy is mad. Crazee.

One of my favourite scenes in BtVS is in Revelations, when the gang are in the library having an argument.

Ooo, I love this scene--Relevations was one of the very first episodes I watched and despite being horribly confused about what the hell was going on I found it immediately involving. Yeah, Season Three--that's my favourite Buffy, right there. Not that I got to see a lot of it first time round since my mum heard the words 'vampire slayer' and banned me from watching it, thus ensuring I took every chance I got to record it on the sly (meaning the first three episodes I saw were Beauty and the Beasts, Revelations and then Enemies, which was quite the trippy viewing experience and probably accounts for my love of Faith, since I originally missed so much of the crap she pulled.)

I agree with you about the motivation, DavidS, but the self-righteousness, particularly from Xander, still drives me nuts.

Yeah, his is what really got to me the most. Because of this:

It was very involving. I didn't mean to imply it wasn't good writing, or that it wasn't effective. To the contrary, it was great. It really pokes me with a pointy stick.

And here’s a question:

They don't know about Angel not being Angelus when Buffy killed him

I plead Season 3 deficiency (again), but did I miss an ep or scene where they asked what happened to Angel? I mean, do they know that she had to kill him? Or do they just assume the spell didn’t work, so she killed him? I seem to recall the scoobies debating about what might have happened at the end of Season 2 since, the world didn’t end, ‘cuz, check it out.

(OK, I just finished reading Cindy’s post after I wrote that last question. I haven’t refined my meara-ing skills yet) 1 – Cindy funny, funny, funny and right on. 2 – I’m now reassured that I didn’t miss anything. They were butts for not even asking how it all went down in the end. Even though I know Giles eventually does do this. And I agree that concern/relief/anger are mixy things. Still. Meanies.

I mean, do they know that she had to kill him? Or do they just assume the spell didn’t work, so she killed him?

It's in....Faith, Hope, and Trick, maybe. Great scenes. Buffy lies at first and tells Giles that the spell didn't work, and then she comes clean eventually.

"I kissed him, and I told him I loved him. And I killed him."

If you didn't want her to leave and never come back you shouldn't have said it.

Totally. Her words were, "If you leave this house don't even think of coming back." Joyce said get out. Buffy did.

Have none of you ever said anything in a moment of anger and passion that you regretted later and really didn't mean? Maybe it's just that I grew up in the Emotional Instability Funhouse, but I'm fairly certain we did that on a weekly basis. I still do sometimes, which drives Patrick up a wall.

That said, I agree that Joyce should have taken more responsibility for her words.

Yeah, I'm with Lyra. My parents kicked certain of my siblings out of my house or my siblings threatened to leave on a daily basis during the late teens/early 20's years. Hell, the last time my family were visiting, I ended up leaving my own house for the night. I think that type of threat is commonplace in familial arguments.

It's in....Faith, Hope, and Trick, maybe. Great scenes. Buffy lies at first and tells Giles that the spell didn't work, and then she comes clean eventually.

"I kissed him, and I told him I loved him. And I killed him."

Yes! This weekend it's on (here). I do remember that. I meant, though, that in DMP they didn't ask anything about what had happened at the end before they went all "you deserted us" on her. It added to my annoyance with the scoobies. Which was probably intended. Crafty writers. Because, I can certainly remember times in my life when my anger took the forefront (but what about ME!!!!) when, perhaps, had I bothered to check, I would have found out that Person X had a defensible reason for doing something that I got angry about. Shocking as that might have been to my worldview at the time.