Dawn: I think a date should be in a real fancy restaurant, then champagne at a night club with a floor show, then ballroom dancing. Joyce: Unfortunately, we're not dating in a movie from the thirties.

'Get It Done'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Nutty - Aug 28, 2003 8:10:22 am PDT #5270 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Are Buffy fans crazier than hardcore Trekkies or any other fandom you care to mention?

Yeah, and the people who study fandom are practically as bad: I've seen essays about people who literally worship Elvis as a saint interspersed among essays about people who wouldn't be considered quite so strange.

I mean, I know, the salient people are the people who yell the loudest, but I'd like to think that a book including "The Cultural Economy of Fandom" and essays about the hysterical aspects of Beatlemania would try to avoid mashing that together with uncritical chronicles of extremely atypical behavior.


Fred Pete - Aug 28, 2003 8:15:14 am PDT #5271 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Are Buffy fans crazier than hardcore Trekkies or any other fandom you care to mention?

Well, first off, what's wrong with being crazy? Sanity is overrated.

The issue, if issue there be, is that there are socially approved ways to be crazy. The overly-zealous Oakland Raider fans and fashionistas, in particular, are just taking socially approved craziness a step further than most people.

We (Buffista, Trekkie, or other SFy fandom), on the other hand, are crazy in ways that mainstream society doesn't want to acknowledge.


erikaj - Aug 28, 2003 8:18:17 am PDT #5272 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

There are segments of society scared shitless of smart people.(Say that three times fast.) But some fans really are nuts, too.


Nutty - Aug 28, 2003 8:31:50 am PDT #5273 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

The issue, if issue there be, is that there are socially approved ways to be crazy. The overly-zealous Oakland Raider fans and fashionistas, in particular, are just taking socially approved craziness a step further than most people.

Well, fandom -- of football or Trek -- isn't regarded as crazy, usually, so much as incredibly dorky or personality-deficient. I don't especially mind fandom being strange and unreasonable and big with the yelling and turf wars (well, I do mind it, but that's reality), but I do mind fandom of any kind being portrayed as failing to have a grasp on reality. Because there is a difference between clinical mental illness and substantial but reality-grasping weirdness.

In sum:
Thinks Joss is incredibly cool, and deserves the honorary title of god: OK
Thinks Joss is really a god, and can control the fates of people in Cleveland: Not OK.


Fred Pete - Aug 28, 2003 8:36:51 am PDT #5274 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Because there is a difference between clinical mental illness and substantial but reality-grasping weirdness.

Agreed, Nutty, and I apologize for not being clear in my post. I intended "crazy" and "sane" more in the sense of letting off steam or dealing with the stresses of daily living in modern society, and not in any mental illness sense.


tina f. - Aug 28, 2003 8:40:51 am PDT #5275 of 10001

cancels big move to Cleveland and order of t-shirts with "Worship the Joss" on them

I recently read through all the continuity stuff for S7 on the tvtome.com BtVS ep guide. Whoever writes that stuff deserves the fandom medal of honor. There was so many more juicy bits of continuity than I ever would have noticed on my own.


Allyson - Aug 28, 2003 9:03:53 am PDT #5276 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I do see instances of what can only be decribed as mental illness, and breaks from reality in fandom, as well one would see these things in any cross section of community. There are millions of fans, many with access to the internet, and it follows that some have minds clouded with sickness.


Wolfram - Aug 28, 2003 9:07:56 am PDT #5277 of 10001
Visilurking

There are millions of fans, many with access to the internet, and it follows that some have minds clouded with sickness.

I'm getting better.


Cindy - Aug 28, 2003 9:10:24 am PDT #5278 of 10001
Nobody

That's what they all think, Wolfram.


Nutty - Aug 28, 2003 9:20:23 am PDT #5279 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

There are millions of fans, many with access to the internet, and it follows that some have minds clouded with sickness.

Whoa nelly, is this ever the truth. I do sort of like the idea that insane fans writing porn and yammering at Allyson are fans who are not calling actors' home numbers and following them around town.

Allyson, by keeping Fury's email account, you are taking a hit for the lives and safety of actors everywhere. Okay, yes, I'm being optimistic.