I'm catching up on a couple weeks of this thread, so here's where I get to say that I'd be willing to sacrifice Angel and Firefly for 4 or 5 seasons of great Buffy with Joss' head exploding at the end. I mean, I'll take what I can get, but them's my druthers. Greenwalt stays too.

I still blame Greenwalt for the mess that became Cordelia.

Though I think I still owe him a mental fruitbasket for the Wes stuff in Tomorrow. (So glad obsession trump ascension for me in that ep.)

But, I wouldn't give up the three and a half enjoyable seasons of Angel I've had for more Joss-y Buffy, and I wouldn't give up my 13 episodes of Firefly for the world.

I want to put everyone but Cordelia, and possibly Oz, up against a wall and slap them when they're so hard on Buffy

So glad to know I'm not the only one. My TV would be in shards if I have a gun whenever that ep airs.

Towards the end of season 7, I honestly felt like the writers themselves didn't like the character of Buffy anymore, and it showed.

Yes, this. Cause they were all 'okay, we'll show her kicking butt instead of being depressed', and then they do Speech!Buffy. It honestly feels like they didn't even remember how to make her likable.

I want to put everyone but Cordelia, and possibly Oz, up against a wall and slap them when they're so hard on Buffy.

Yes! I have this whole rant I go though every time Xander says, 'So, your honey was a demon. Most girls don't jump the Greyhound bus over boy troubles.'

Grrrr! I just want to kill him. Actually Xander was weirdly unlikable for the first couple of season 3 eps. The bit in Call of the Wild where he just goes to sleep, without even trying to watch Oz, for example.

I could never justify the sacrafice of Angel and Firefly for all Joss all the time.

I need my fill of Jane E. and Goddard. Hell even Fury.

Everyone always ranks their favorite Buffy seasons here, I think I am gonna try ranking all ME shows from my favorite on.

Here goes nothing BS4, AS4, FF, AS3, BS2, BS7, AS2, BS6, AS1, BS5, BS3, BS1

Anyone follow that because I just confused myself.

Hell even Fury.

sniffle

That's my man.

Oh nothing against him. In fact I love his episodes, probably his Angel ones over his Buffy ones, same goes for DeKnight times 2 with the Angel over Buffy episodes.

I just loveth Jane E. and Goddard more. Without them I don't know where the Buffyverse would have been the last 4 seasons. Fury was just lower on my list than those 2.

Hell I somehow forgot Minear....how could we have ever been killed...er I mean lived without Tim?

Tim and Jane are the two I think I'm really going to miss from Mutant Enemy efforts.

I was delighted to see Jane's touch on The O.C. Made me remenber that I liked her work.

I'm still sad at the idea of Angel without Tim. I'd prefer a Jossless Angel (isn't that what we pretty much had, anyway?), than a Timless one.

I can't even imagine a Tim-less Angel. I want his new series to take off like crazy, and I want there to be a Firefly film with Tim as Joss's co-pilot, and I also want Tim on Angel.

Dear Unca Tim,

Give up your leisure time, sanity, eating and sleeping, because with Cordy in a coma, it is all about me.

Thanks.

I've missed Joss's touch with scripts though. I loved Waiting In the Wings because of the dialogue, the sound of the whole thing. (Even when I forget to tabula rasa out the 'I'm *nly al*ve wh*n' line). I've missed that on both Buffy and Angel. Firefly teased me with it, and then went away. Joss dialogue hits about the same sweet spot in my ears that Brian Wilson harmonies do.

I've missed Joss's touch with scripts though. I loved Waiting In the Wings because of the dialogue, the sound of the whole thing. (Even when I forget to tabula rasa out the 'I'm *nly al*ve wh*n' line). I've missed that on both Buffy and Angel. Firefly teased me with it, and then went away. Joss dialogue hits about the same sweet spot in my ears that Brian Wilson harmonies do.

As much as I love Jane and Fury and Goddard, that Joss dialogue touch is the signature of the show for me. How badly did we miss Joss on the set every day, tweaking every scene? We'll never know now. I appreciate you gotta take your shot at becoming a mogul when it comes along, but it doesn't mean I didn't live for those little turns of phrase.