Simon: I, uh... I never-never shot anyone before. Book: I was there, son. I'm fair sure you haven't shot anyone yet.
'War Stories'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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Jessica - Aug 19, 2003 5:11:47 am PDT #4898 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Vortex - Aug 19, 2003 5:18:24 am PDT #4899 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
It is in the FAQ:
huh. I didn't even check. So, umm, why are we discussing it then?
§ ita § - Aug 19, 2003 5:20:31 am PDT #4900 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
why are we discussing it then?
Because it's interesting to those that are?
Jim - Aug 19, 2003 5:21:55 am PDT #4901 of 10001
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
Plus the FAQ is dead wrong. The later episodes are far too dense and rich with meta to convert anyone, IMO. You want early rickety funky Buffy for that.
Jessica - Aug 19, 2003 5:24:04 am PDT #4902 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
The later episodes are far too dense and rich with meta to convert anyone, IMO.
Not if you're trying to get someone to pick the show up mid-S5, which is when that entry was written.
Jim - Aug 19, 2003 5:27:16 am PDT #4903 of 10001
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
Pah! They must watch all the previous episodes before the next new one airs. Lightweights.
Frankenbuddha - Aug 19, 2003 6:11:20 am PDT #4904 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Buffy conversion ep deathmatch, anyone? :)
billytea - Aug 19, 2003 7:39:11 am PDT #4905 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.
See, I think as a general-purpose conversion ep, Hush is probably the best choice. But you do want to tailor the choice to the particular person. Here the primary preconception is that it's a show for teens. I would be concerned that the humour in Hush might be too easy to write off under that preconception ("oh yeah, wank jokes and stuff") and the horror aspects might appear a bit teen slasher. Not a fair judgment, but that's kind of the problem.
I'd recommend Passion because I think it's BtVS at its most adult. Not least because there's an adult relationship at the heart of it. Jenny's death isn't slasher fare, and pretty much demands to be taken seriously. It would be hard to sustain a view that it's just a teen show after it.
While I think Hush may well be the best all-purpose choice, Passion isn't a bad one either. It's also a high-quality ep, and also showcases what BtVS is about (less so on the humour, more so on the drama and emotional engagement). And being so tied up with the story arc means that if it does draw a person in, they're going to want to see more to find out all the details. But here I think it's more important that it addresses the preconceptions directly. I think only The Body could do a better job of that, but as ita noted, it isn't really representative of BtVS's general tone.
ETA: though it'd probably be an advantage if Sean watched it first. J
Cindy - Aug 19, 2003 7:41:30 am PDT #4906 of 10001
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I'd recommend Passion because I think it's BtVS at its most adult. Not least because there's an adult relationship at the heart of it. Jenny's death isn't slasher fare, and pretty much demands to be taken seriously. It would be hard to sustain a view that it's just a teen show after it.
Yes. This.
Sue - Aug 19, 2003 8:00:08 am PDT #4907 of 10001
hip deep in pie
I've had good luck converting people with Dopplegangland.
That and The Wish might make and interesting pairing for conversion. The Wish is pretty dark and bleak, and then Dopplegangland uses the same AU, but is pretty funny and light.