Joyce: And what did you do tonight? Dawn: Irritated Giles. I'm beginning to get why Buffy likes it so much.

'Get It Done'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Sean K - Aug 15, 2003 5:42:04 am PDT #4596 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

And isn't physical location different from death? Every time anyone's actually been to a hell dimension, they've been alive.

Also? Their bodies were sucked in with them. Buffy's lifeless body very much stayed here.

Which was where Willow really screwed up. She forgot that Buffy's body was STILL IN THE COFFIN, and that her spell would bury Buffy alive.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 15, 2003 5:47:47 am PDT #4597 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Which was where Willow really screwed up. She forgot that Buffy's body was STILL IN THE COFFIN, and that her spell would bury Buffy alive.

Well, I think they planned on digging her up, but those pesky demon bikers interrupted. Who knows - maybe the part of the spell that didn't get finished would have gotten her out of the ground for them.

shrugs


Vortex - Aug 15, 2003 5:49:25 am PDT #4598 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

And isn't physical location different from death? Every time anyone's actually been to a hell dimension,
they've been alive.

Oh, I'm with you. But I'm saying that it wasn't unreasonable for her to think that Buffy was in hell.


Cindy - Aug 15, 2003 5:55:05 am PDT #4599 of 10001
Nobody

Oh, I'm with you. But I'm saying that it wasn't unreasonable for her to think that Buffy was in hell.

No. It was unreasonable of her to not question other possibilities as well, particularly since this time, there was a body. She had the whole freakin' summer, and Anya is the one who tracked down the urn on e-bay. I'm just sayin'... Willow acted rashly, without thinking things through to her usual Willowy level, in part, because she wanted to exert the power necessary to raise the dead. In part. I know she had altruistic, and selfish (not in the power-sense, but 'selfish' in the sense of scared to death and in mourning) reasons to raise Buffy, too. But she didn't think it all out, because she didn't want to find out anything that might have stopped her. It's exactly why she didn't tell Giles, Spike and Dawn, and why she didn't let Tara and the others know that the spell required the blood of an innocent.


Sean K - Aug 15, 2003 6:08:36 am PDT #4600 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Well, I think they planned on digging her up...

Yeah, I seem to remember them carrying shovels, but if I were Buffy, I'd be really pissed that they didn't dig me up before starting the spell.


Lee - Aug 15, 2003 6:09:40 am PDT #4601 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I got the feeling from Xander's lines that they really didn't think about her reanimating in her coffin. He seemed surprised, and horrified, that she had.


Sean K - Aug 15, 2003 6:12:52 am PDT #4602 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I got the feeling from Xander's lines that they really didn't think about her reanimating in her coffin.

Right, which means Willow didn't really think it all the way through, because Xander was just following her lead.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 15, 2003 6:15:15 am PDT #4603 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Remember too that the spell was interrupted before Willow could complete it. Didn't Monkey'sPaw!Joyce get out of her grave without the need for digging?


Gandalfe - Aug 15, 2003 6:23:59 am PDT #4604 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

But I'm saying that it wasn't unreasonable for her to think that Buffy was in hell.

And, don't forget, they all had proof that Hell dimensions existed. Heaven? Not so much.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 15, 2003 6:27:05 am PDT #4605 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Remember too that the spell was interrupted before Willow could complete it. Didn't Monkey'sPaw!Joyce get out of her grave without the need for digging?

This is what I was just saying.

I don't think we saw enough of Monkey Paw!Joyce to know whether she dug her own way out or not.

shudder