I don't give a good gorram about relevant, Wash. Or objective. And I ain't so afraid of losing something that I ain't gonna try to have it. You and I would make one beautiful baby. And I want to meet that child one day. Period.

Zoe ,'Heart Of Gold'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Burrell - Mar 21, 2013 7:51:33 pm PDT #15636 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Between your knees?

Sometimes, when I'm sleeping on my side, but also in my arms. Funny thing is Isaac sleeps with a snuggly pillow too. Is that kind of thing genetic?

Like a 50s sitcom!

Me and Lucy Ricardo.


Kat - Mar 21, 2013 7:52:56 pm PDT #15637 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Yes. Dianne Weist. Grr.

Interestingly in the curriculum I'm using from College Board, they had kids research Johnny Depp, gothic literature, fairy tales and Vincent Price before watching. I strongly think that Danny Elfman has way more of an influence on Burton's work than Vincent Price.


brenda m - Mar 21, 2013 7:53:16 pm PDT #15638 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

It has to be some Jesus cold for me to sleep with socks on.

My big thing is a sleep mask. I had to learn to use it back when I was working psycho hours, bar tending to the wee hours but also doing the am shift at Starbucks. So grabbing a couple of mid afternoon hours was critical. I can sleep without it, but it doesn't feel right.


Kat - Mar 21, 2013 7:54:33 pm PDT #15639 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I can sleep with socks on, but I will inevitably overheat 3 or 4 hours into sleeping if I do so. I used to sleep so much better than I do now. I used to be a champion sleeper. Before I had kids (insert usual claim that kids ruin everything here).


Steph L. - Mar 21, 2013 7:55:06 pm PDT #15640 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

If I wake up between 5 a.m. and the alarm, I put a sleep mask on because too much light gets in and I can't fall back asleep otherwise. Although if I *stay* asleep through the light increasing, it doesn't wake me up. Weird.

And I'm in bed now, actually, so I'll post more about this tomorrow.


DavidS - Mar 21, 2013 7:58:07 pm PDT #15641 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Is that kind of thing genetic?

Or learned behavior? I don't know. There probably is a genetic component to sleep preferences.

It's interesting to see the big dividing line on socks/naked feet. It really does affect your body heat quite a bit.

When I was young I remember feeling so restless and I could never figure out what to do with my arms. I used to wish I could take them off when I went to bed. Also, I used to have so many allergy/congestion issues I needed to be propped up on at least two pillows to have an open airway.

Sometimes to get myself sleepy now I have both arms out and thrown back above my head. That seems to do something to my system that makes it drowsier. Then when I get sleepy enough I roll over onto one side with both arms under the covers.

I tend to sleep better if I take my socks off. JZ needs extra heat. Somebody (her dad?) gave her a fake-fur lap throw that's just about her size and it fits on half the bed and keeps her toasty warm all night. She's slept much better under that. (Though getting over the bronchitis and dealing with her asthma was the Great Miracle of Sleeping for this year.)


DavidS - Mar 21, 2013 8:00:51 pm PDT #15642 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I strongly think that Danny Elfman has way more of an influence on Burton's work than Vincent Price.

Do you think Elfman influences Burton, or just is a major component of the whole work?


beth b - Mar 21, 2013 8:03:20 pm PDT #15643 of 30001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

sometimes I start with a night shirt, but it usually comes off . Feet must be free. sheet, blanket and comforter . I often wake up to hot and adjust - sometimes moving to the couch so the bed cools off. Mmost of the time just a sheet for me - 'til Matt's 6am alarm goes off- then I need All The Covers to protect me from the evil morning.


Vortex - Mar 21, 2013 8:04:02 pm PDT #15644 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Also, if the temperature warms during the night, I can wake up and kick off my socks to lower my body temp. And now to bed, since I have a 7:30 Am hair appointment. yes, A fucking M.


Kat - Mar 21, 2013 8:07:44 pm PDT #15645 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I can't say if Elfman influences Burton but I do think Eflman's work is one of the critical components of Burton's style.

The dialogue-less scene in Edward Scisssorhands that is flashback where we see the inventor for the first time and we are made to understand the irony that his machines look monstrous and scary with sharp bits and permanently bolted smiles, but in truth, they are making something as simple and innocent as sugar cookies is effective because of the music and other nondiagetic sound. It's drums and tuba playing the precise rhythms of factory work. But when Vincent Price holds up the heart-shaped cookie, the change in music is what makes the scene so poignant. Suddenly we are back to the choral voices, to the fairytale feel, back to innocence.

I've watched that scene 3 times per class for 5 classes now.