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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


DavidS - Mar 21, 2013 7:58:07 pm PDT #15641 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Is that kind of thing genetic?

Or learned behavior? I don't know. There probably is a genetic component to sleep preferences.

It's interesting to see the big dividing line on socks/naked feet. It really does affect your body heat quite a bit.

When I was young I remember feeling so restless and I could never figure out what to do with my arms. I used to wish I could take them off when I went to bed. Also, I used to have so many allergy/congestion issues I needed to be propped up on at least two pillows to have an open airway.

Sometimes to get myself sleepy now I have both arms out and thrown back above my head. That seems to do something to my system that makes it drowsier. Then when I get sleepy enough I roll over onto one side with both arms under the covers.

I tend to sleep better if I take my socks off. JZ needs extra heat. Somebody (her dad?) gave her a fake-fur lap throw that's just about her size and it fits on half the bed and keeps her toasty warm all night. She's slept much better under that. (Though getting over the bronchitis and dealing with her asthma was the Great Miracle of Sleeping for this year.)


DavidS - Mar 21, 2013 8:00:51 pm PDT #15642 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I strongly think that Danny Elfman has way more of an influence on Burton's work than Vincent Price.

Do you think Elfman influences Burton, or just is a major component of the whole work?


beth b - Mar 21, 2013 8:03:20 pm PDT #15643 of 30001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

sometimes I start with a night shirt, but it usually comes off . Feet must be free. sheet, blanket and comforter . I often wake up to hot and adjust - sometimes moving to the couch so the bed cools off. Mmost of the time just a sheet for me - 'til Matt's 6am alarm goes off- then I need All The Covers to protect me from the evil morning.


Vortex - Mar 21, 2013 8:04:02 pm PDT #15644 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Also, if the temperature warms during the night, I can wake up and kick off my socks to lower my body temp. And now to bed, since I have a 7:30 Am hair appointment. yes, A fucking M.


Kat - Mar 21, 2013 8:07:44 pm PDT #15645 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I can't say if Elfman influences Burton but I do think Eflman's work is one of the critical components of Burton's style.

The dialogue-less scene in Edward Scisssorhands that is flashback where we see the inventor for the first time and we are made to understand the irony that his machines look monstrous and scary with sharp bits and permanently bolted smiles, but in truth, they are making something as simple and innocent as sugar cookies is effective because of the music and other nondiagetic sound. It's drums and tuba playing the precise rhythms of factory work. But when Vincent Price holds up the heart-shaped cookie, the change in music is what makes the scene so poignant. Suddenly we are back to the choral voices, to the fairytale feel, back to innocence.

I've watched that scene 3 times per class for 5 classes now.


Scrappy - Mar 21, 2013 8:12:29 pm PDT #15646 of 30001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

DH and are like Tep and Tim. He sleeps in boxers with just a quilt and his with feet out...and a fan, there must be a fan. On my side of the bed, I have a down throw over the covers, which I am scrunched under, wearing flannel pajamas. I'd rather have just a duvet, but DH is top sheet addicted. We usually have a podcast playing while we drift off to sleep. As soon as the DH drifts off, which is before me since he's basically an Olympic-level sleeper and falls asleep INSTANTLY, I leap up and turn off the fan.


aurelia - Mar 21, 2013 8:16:14 pm PDT #15647 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Side sleeper, top sheet. I always wore socks until I got a heated mattress pad. Now my feet warm up faster without the socks. Other sleepwear depends entirely on the current temperature.


DavidS - Mar 21, 2013 8:25:04 pm PDT #15648 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

but I do think Eflman's work is one of the critical components of Burton's style.

Definitely. Though I really like the score for the non-Elfman Ed Wood. Theremins and bongos! Which Elfman got to do with Mars Attacks.

The dialogue-less scene in Edward Scisssorhands that is flashback where we see the inventor for the first time and we are made to understand the irony that his machines look monstrous and scary with sharp bits and permanently bolted smiles, but in truth, they are making something as simple and innocent as sugar cookies is effective because of the music and other nondiagetic sound.

That really is one if his prettiest scores.

As soon as the DH drifts off, which is before me since he's basically an Olympic-level sleeper and falls asleep INSTANTLY, I leap up and turn off the fan.

It's interesting hearing all the different ways people adapt to their co-sleeper.

Emmett sleeps with a lullaby mix that I made for him, and I usually tuck him in. When I was growing up I always had the radio on, so if I woke up in the middle of the night I could hear a comforting murmur of voices. I also liked hearing my parents talking or a party in the house after I'd gone to bed.

R.E.M. called their first album Murmur, because Peter Buck and Michael Stipe bonded over that feeling of being a child and driving home with your parents late at night and being drowsy in the back seat, with just the dim light from the dashboard and the murmur of your parents voices.


§ ita § - Mar 21, 2013 8:27:55 pm PDT #15649 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Never spent any significant time sleeping with anyone else. I don't share beds platonically, and if we bothered to fuck in the bed, one of us should leave after a polite pause. So many of my habits have no witness.

I need covers up to touching my cheeks. They cannot cover my nose. Maybe 5 days a year in LA is warm enough for no socks, but the primary constraint for me is making sure my feet don't get cold--it puts me in a bad mood, and no sleep. I like to have water, so I drink first thing on waking up, but I don't do anything special going to sleep. I lie down, pull the covers up to my cheeks, grab the nearest stuffed thing that's not my pillow--moose, Frodo, or the five foot cushion. But the main blanket has to be the snuggly one. It's fluffy snuggly.

I did a bad thing. I went to Staples. The Staples near home is short of all the things I want to spend a lot of money on, but this wasn't. So I have the six colour Precise V5s--wait, it's seven. And four five millimetre Uniballs. I'm fondling them right now, and it's fucking great.


Consuela - Mar 21, 2013 8:39:12 pm PDT #15650 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

ita, with regards to TNC, he's spent the better part of the last few years researching and writing about racism in America, and has basically come down on saying that what America is, now, is fundamentally and inextricably bound up with racism--with slavery and its after-effects, and its continuation through other means.

He is very clear-eyed about the problems we have in this country. I can't begin to think of a writer less likely to spout nationalistic slogans (unironically).

With regards to David's question: I sleep with a full set of sheets, top and bottom, and I prefer layers rather than a heavy duvet, so I can adjust the temperature. I wear wool socks to bed because my feet get cold except in the hottest weather. And I sleep on my side or my back, and I often fall asleep these days listening to audiobooks or podcasts.