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Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


SuziQ - Mar 03, 2013 6:54:02 am PST #13460 of 30001
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

CJ wanders all over spotify for music.

I'm working on Sunday. We had a big schedule deliverable at the end of the week and had gotten a message from the client saying we needed to make adjustments to A, B, and C. So we reviewed A, B, and C and sent revisions.

Today the client sends an e-mail saying we didn't properly respond and why were D and E not fixed. Ummmm...you didn't say there was a problem with D or E. Now we are running around like chickens trying to get answers on D and E. Oy.


DavidS - Mar 03, 2013 6:56:54 am PST #13461 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Was Matilda disappointed to not be recognized?

No, just surprised.

but I'm surprised the teachers didn't recognize her.

The Oz books have had an odd history with educators. They were incredibly popular in the early 20th century, where getting a new Oz book was something most children looked forward to at Christmas.

But librarians and educators disliked them. There was a general bias against series books, the usual disdain for fantasy/science fiction and a bit of a false binary choice between Alice in Wonderland vs. Oz.

I didn't really clue into this until I went into the SF public library when I first moved here and asked a children's librarian about why they didn't have the Oz series and got such snooty hauteur as one usually gets form asking an indie record clerk for their REO Speedwagon section.

I'd be curious to hear from Kate and Beth to see if that kind of bias is still entrenched. It's rare to find a children's library today that has more than The Wizard of Oz.


flea - Mar 03, 2013 7:00:28 am PST #13462 of 30001
information libertarian

I read a bunch of the Oz series as a child, and they're very formulaic. They're not any worse than a lot of long kids' series (OMG the Boxcar Children), but I can see them not being a favorite of librarians.

OTOH with the right artist they would make for a GREAT graphic novel series for today. They're vintage steampunk!


Theodosia - Mar 03, 2013 7:03:03 am PST #13463 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Didn't Matilda's wand actually say 'OZ' on it? That's definitely educator-fail then.

Having recently watched a documentary on Baum (thank you, Smithsonian Channel) I was surprised to find out that Baum was related to some fairly prominent suffragettes, so the prominence of young female protagonists with agency in his books is not a coincidence. I wonder how much that played into librarian-disapproval, because the books aren't exactly endorsing girls staying home to become housewives....


Tom Scola - Mar 03, 2013 7:05:01 am PST #13464 of 30001
hwæt

Actually, Marvel Comics has been doing a well-regarded series of Oz adaptations.


JZ - Mar 03, 2013 7:09:33 am PST #13465 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Oh, I know she's *in* books, but her origin is definitely the movies; after that, the novelizations and the expanded universe and so on and so forth. But Leia-the-book-character would never have existed without Leia-the-movie-character coming first, so (in my brain anyway) she's firmly slotted as Movie Character, not Book.


Stephanie - Mar 03, 2013 7:13:17 am PST #13466 of 30001
Trust my rage

I read non stop as a child but had no idea who Ozma was until JZ explained. As I remember, we had some Oz books at home and started one but didn't really like them. Although I would never have gotten Princess Leia from her adorable costume.


DavidS - Mar 03, 2013 7:25:44 am PST #13467 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Actually, Marvel Comics has been doing a well-regarded series of Oz adaptations.

Yeah, those are pretty great and are both faithful to the originals, but bring a lot of the artist's own vision to the stories. Recommended.


Amy - Mar 03, 2013 7:30:19 am PST #13468 of 30001
Because books.

I never read an Oz book at all. Once I'd seen the movie, and realized that the books were a little different, I had no interest in *another* Oz. So I didn't know who Ozma was, either.


Steph L. - Mar 03, 2013 7:33:06 am PST #13469 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I never read an Oz book at all. Once I'd seen the movie, and realized that the books were a little different, I had no interest in *another* Oz. So I didn't know who Ozma was, either.

Me, too. Also, "Wicked."