That's my girl, large and in-charge. Okay, teensy-weensy and in charge.

Gunn ,'Just Rewards (2)'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Nov 25, 2011 7:28:03 am PST #8407 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So don't. You choose the ones that work for you.

I'm not criticising either you or the program. I'm just talking about what motivates me or doesn't, just like people have been saying about GTD and the like. I'm good.

I'm missing the bit in that Porter Ranch article where they talk about the source of the pepper spray in any detail. They just toss off that it was a shopper, but for the rest of the article it has no source. It almost sounds like it's something the authorities did.

However, the crowd behaviour--what is WITH people? Why do they think they have a right to behave like that?

If police casually use this item (and they have been BEFORE the Occupy movements, let us not kid ourselves), why can't Tom, Dick, Jane, and Martha use it for our own purposes?

Because there are a lot of other things the cops get to do that I don't? I'm not sure why pepper spray should be an exception. I can see store security blurring the lines, but I also think they're incredibly wrong in doing so. They are civilians too. I used to want to be a security guard, because I thought it was all cool and official and shit, but...it's so not.


§ ita § - Nov 25, 2011 7:28:03 am PST #8408 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

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flea - Nov 25, 2011 7:30:57 am PST #8409 of 30001
information libertarian

mr. flea is at work today, and he has been dubbed the Acting Branch Chief; he is probably the only guy there. Please, nobody have an environmental disaster involving water in the midwest today, okay? Unless a whiz computer modeler can fix it.

We're watching the end of Avatar. Then I have to actually do something with these children.


le nubian - Nov 25, 2011 7:31:48 am PST #8410 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I think that most of the recent uses of pepper spray are an illegitimate use of force. When it is done so casually, I think people feel they can do it too.

Pepper spray shouldn't be the first technique of crowd control when no one is injured or hurt or lives aren't threatened. I would support security guards using it judiciously if lives are at risk. But the youtube video does not show that.


Steph L. - Nov 25, 2011 7:32:43 am PST #8411 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I really want to write back but I am finding a sense of.... I don't know.. pleasure in being able to say, "Um. Don't need to engage the people in the box on every detail."

I almost got into a FB fight with a woman who INSISTED that paper coffee filters were NEVER compostable. I was armed with links and everything, and instead I just closed the FB window.


bon bon - Nov 25, 2011 7:37:38 am PST #8412 of 30001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Wait the pepper spray thing happened in porter ranch? That used to be my scene, yo!


§ ita § - Nov 25, 2011 7:44:46 am PST #8413 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Wait the pepper spray thing happened in porter ranch?

No shit! Until they opened the mall in Simi (civilisation gets everywhere eventually, I guess), it was the most convenient one to my job. Freaky to think of that nutty meltdown at a place I've shopped.

When it is done so casually, I think people feel they can do it too.

I think police shoot too casually too, but I don't know if that's having a causal effect. I think what needs to be made clear are the horrible after effects. I think people go "oh! non lethal! thanks for reminding me!" and don't consider how horrible pretty much all of the non-lethal crowd control measures are.


smonster - Nov 25, 2011 7:47:51 am PST #8414 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

I'm not criticising either you or the program. I'm just talking about what motivates me or doesn't, just like people have been saying about GTD and the like. I'm good.

Did not intend to sound defensive or dismissive. Was typing on iPhone so terse. Now on computer so I suppose I should start using pronouns again. Whatever you meant, I've seen people get hung up on doing the whole thing, and for me it was very freeing to be explicitly told that I don't have to.

Steph, let me validate you. YOU ARE RIGHT. You can absolutely compost coffee filters, whether in a backyard pile or a vermicomposting system. Same with tea bags. Any paper, really, though I've found that worms highly prefer newspaper as bedding to shredded office paper.


Consuela - Nov 25, 2011 7:50:20 am PST #8415 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Pepper spray shouldn't be the first technique of crowd control when no one is injured or hurt or lives aren't threatened.

Indeed, especially since there's not a lot of data on the health effects of it when used in those circumstances.

I had leftover pie crust for breakfast. No, seriously: when I make a pie and have leftover pastry dough, I roll it out thin and brush it with milk, cinnamon & sugar, and then roll it into a tube and bake it with the pie. That's what I had for breakfast. It's a family thing: I don't know if anyone else does that.

I have walked the dog for an hour, and in a bit we'll go out to see my folks. Things are getting sticky recently: apparently my mother has started refusing to take her meds. ::facepalm::


bon bon - Nov 25, 2011 7:50:34 am PST #8416 of 30001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

That's the only Walmart I've been to in yonks. But crazies can show up anywhere.