This is my boat. They're part of my crew. No one's getting left. Best you get used to that.

Mal ,'Ariel'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Theodosia - Feb 29, 2012 1:49:36 pm PST #24409 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

If I could find a study that offers it, I'd volunteer to be (temporarily) infected with intestinal worms, in the hopes that it would get my immune system back in line.

(The worms they use in these studies are a)sterile and b)can't breed in the human gut, so that they only hang around for a little while instead of hanging around forever and ever.)


§ ita § - Feb 29, 2012 1:54:06 pm PST #24410 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

We just had a lessons learnt meeting, and I felt traditionally attacked (not through any reason of the people there, just me), and at the end of it the testing lead came over to me and put her hand on my shoulder. I tried not to flip my lid, because...work...touching, but when I turned around she simply said "Thank you" and I...it's been a rough day.

We've been informed of when bonuses and raises come out...but as far as I know we haven't been informed of, say, if or how much we get. WHY ARE THEY TORMENTING US?


§ ita § - Feb 29, 2012 2:00:30 pm PST #24411 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, hello, light bulb--lots of critics were saying Katniss was Melungeon, then, weren't they?


DavidS - Feb 29, 2012 2:21:16 pm PST #24412 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Oh, hello, light bulb--lots of critics were saying Katniss was Melungeon, then, weren't they?

That's the argument here.


DavidS - Feb 29, 2012 2:23:23 pm PST #24413 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Actually this seems to be the link.


§ ita § - Feb 29, 2012 2:27:26 pm PST #24414 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That is the weakest argument on it I've ever read (eta: and I guess, the second weakest), though. Neither of them are arguments that she's not white, not like I've seen in fandom.

Thing is, at the end of the day, I don't get why people still insist she isn't white. She is, because the author said she was. Or, the author's opinion is at least as important as yours. You can't override it outside of your own head.

She was written white, so casting her white is at least not wrong, even if there are more interesting ways to go about it. It's completely consistent with the universe, so it's just one more missed opportunity in an ethnically undiverse landscape, not actual whitewashing. And I think it distracts from, say, things like the Avatar argument.


Jesse - Feb 29, 2012 2:33:07 pm PST #24415 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Yeah, I think it's just stupid to say "olive skin" = "not white." And it's not like there aren't ACTUAL problems with whitewashing.


Amy - Feb 29, 2012 2:37:42 pm PST #24416 of 30001
Because books.

"Olive skin" is used to describe all kinds of people -- sometimes Greeks, for instance. It didn't ping me at all that she meant Katniss was a person of color, but I also knew Prim was fair and blonde and blue-eyed, and so is their mother, I believe.


Jesse - Feb 29, 2012 2:39:17 pm PST #24417 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Anyone Mediterranean could have olive skin, I figure. And we generally call those people white now.


Amy - Feb 29, 2012 2:39:49 pm PST #24418 of 30001
Because books.

Exactly. I was just going for one example.