America's weirdo notions about race which have gone through wild fluctuations in different eras.

In doing my genealogy, I'm discovering some fairly twisted descriptions to avoid having to claim Irish descent. I told my mother I'd found Irish blood, and she snapped, "Not on my side of the family, I hope." (Mother had issues. Full runs of them.)

I'm still not sure how many of the people identified as German really are German.

In doing my genealogy, I'm discovering some fairly twisted descriptions to avoid having to claim Irish descent.

Right. That's exactly the kind of thing I mean because there was much more racial mixing in the colonial era than there was after 1800 so a lot of people had combinations of Native American, Free Black, Portuguese sailor etc.

Then racial clasifications became more important in a negative way. So you could be part Native American and grown up with your mother's tribe. But you don't want to be shipped out on the Trail of Tears so you claim you're Black Dutch, or something like that. But you're still living with your family. And years later it becomes advantageous to be classified as Native American and then you've got to prove you're A Real Indian as for as the government is concerned.

At different times the census had different categories so "Free Person of Color" could be one category that they put you in, even though your mom was Cherokee and your dad was an ex-slave.

Also, the meaning of "race" has changed a bunch of time. On my ancestors' immigration papers, up through the early forties or so, "race" is listed as Hebrew, and then somewhere lower on the form, "color" is white. (Some of them also have a space for "complexion," and I've found the same person listed as light, medium, olive, and dark on different forms.)

Burrell, I'm so sorry.

Also, the meaning of "race" has changed a bunch of time.

Right, 'cuz it's a social construct. There's no such thing as "race" genetically.

I don't know if America's more whackadoo on the subject than other cultures but it's been foregrounded in our history a lot more.

Prevailing czech attitudes toward the Roma when I was there shudder.

Substitute Moldovan and yep. My host family's dog's name was Tsigan (gypsy). Why? He was black. And that ranks on the relatively innocuous side.

OMG, I just watched your link, Tom, and I'm glad there was no biological risk of bladder voiding, because there was an emotional/psychological one.

Fuck, there are only 6 LA Complex episodes. And I'm on the last one. Just about everyone has a big stripe of douche (save, maybe one guy), but I do feel for most of them. And I like the ones I hate.

CRACK.

They'll have to edit for the CW for a couple reasons, not least of all because they mention the CW on it.

Another data point. Many families who describe themselves as "Scotch-Irish" were of an entirely Irish background. Irish was something to be ashamed of Scottish not, or at least less so. Of course after the claim is passed down for a few generations, the family believes it. (Mind you, there were actual Scotch-Irish, but ratio of claimed to actual was very high.)

Irish was something to be ashamed of Scottish not, or at least less so. Of course after the claim is passed down for a few generations, the family believes it.

Elsie Dinsmore thought that being Scottish was something to be proud of, and that the Scottish weren't really immigrants like all the other immigrants, because the Scottish were just like the Americans, since both fought against English tyranny. (This argument did not apply to the Irish, because the Irish were Catholic, and the mere threat of Catholic school killed Elsie in the first book.)

Nice thing about this board, if you have a tiny fact to share on a topic, toss it forth, and someone will add some depth. Like casting bread upon the waters, and getting it back tenfold, only with obscure and wonderful bits of knowledge. I don't know if I can convey just how, well, welcoming that is even after as long as I've been here.