Oh, yeah, baby, it's snakalicious in here.

Xander ,'Empty Places'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


DebetEsse - Feb 26, 2012 10:35:29 am PST #23786 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I've heard about that from a number of sources: the idea of first sleep and second sleep. Apparently, the time between was very productive (meant non-euphemistically) for a lot of people. ISTR Jefferson being cited on that.


Jesse - Feb 26, 2012 10:37:23 am PST #23787 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Isn't there some traditional middle-of-the-night (or, early morning, depending on how you think of it) prayer time for some Christian monks? Not sure why I think that.


Jessica - Feb 26, 2012 10:40:35 am PST #23788 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

During which they would... I dunno. Hang out, eat, have sex?

According to the book I read about it, yeah, pretty much. It was called...something with Sleep in the title. Helpfulness, I haz it.

[eta: That said, I'm not sure the idea of first sleep / second sleep is so much relevant to modern day insomnia, though, because people used to go to bed a lot earlier. It's not like they were staying up to watch The Daily Show back on the savannah.]


le nubian - Feb 26, 2012 10:43:18 am PST #23789 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

the myth of the 8-hour sleep


Atropa - Feb 26, 2012 10:53:14 am PST #23790 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Ooh, I need to read that article about GABA, because as Pix said:

That describes ALL of the depression, anxiety, and insomnia issues I have struggled with since I was a child.

Nowadays I get okay sleep thanks to Ambien and Xanax, but I'm not thrilled with that being the solution, y'know?


Steph L. - Feb 26, 2012 11:17:09 am PST #23791 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Nowadays I get okay sleep thanks to Ambien and Xanax, but I'm not thrilled with that being the solution, y'know?

Ambien and Xanax and similar drugs *do* have properties that enhance GABA, or maybe help in the production/release of it (I can't remember), but only to a small extent, so that's more of a gift-with-purchase than actually being the purpose of the drug.

So they *are* GABA-ergic (which is a real word), but they don't specifically target GABA. Drugs that specifically target GABA would (I assume) lead to higher levels in the brain without (or with fewer) side effects of drugs like Ambien and Xanax (and, incidentally, GHB).


Connie Neil - Feb 26, 2012 11:48:02 am PST #23792 of 30001
brillig

I wouldn't be able to get out of bed to be productive in the middle of the night because the bed's against the wall and Hubby's on the outside. Apparently he must sleep between me and any door. Sweet, but inconvenient.


Atropa - Feb 26, 2012 11:53:03 am PST #23793 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I'm going to email my awesome doctor and ask her if GABA would be okay to add to my bedtime routine. I bet she'd rather I took that instead of half a Xanax almost every night.


Beverly - Feb 26, 2012 12:12:36 pm PST #23794 of 30001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

In other news, I woke to gutters running with rainwater from overnight and brilliant sun. In an hour, the sky was solid grey and in another hour it was raining, then sleeting, then snowing. It quit, and the sun came out all innocent as the day. I looked up a few minutes ago and big fat snowflakes were pelting down. It's still snowing, but now the sun's come out as well. All I need to make my weather experience for today complete, is thunder.


Ginger - Feb 26, 2012 12:14:47 pm PST #23795 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Or a rain of toads.