Dawn: I think a date should be in a real fancy restaurant, then champagne at a night club with a floor show, then ballroom dancing. Joyce: Unfortunately, we're not dating in a movie from the thirties.

'Get It Done'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Connie Neil - Feb 26, 2012 9:41:52 am PST #23782 of 30001
brillig

I think I can start thinking of Spring as something nearby. The sun is still mostly up when I get off work, and it's quite bright when I get up to go to work. Ah, light.


§ ita § - Feb 26, 2012 9:56:50 am PST #23783 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I need to read the GABA article, although racing thoughts is explicitly not an issue for me. I get a visceral muscle-lockup sort of anxiety, but I'm pretty good at smoothing out what's going/ on in my noggin.


Consuela - Feb 26, 2012 10:29:47 am PST #23784 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Speaking of insomnia, there was an article the other day about how some historians have discovered evidence that in earlier times people would sleep two distinct sleep-cycles per night, with a one-to-two-hour break in the middle. During which they would... I dunno. Hang out, eat, have sex?

I don't recall where I saw it, but it might help me deal with the occasional night where I wake up at 2 am and end up listening to podcasts until 3:30 or so...


Beverly - Feb 26, 2012 10:31:27 am PST #23785 of 30001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

On-guard shifts? It would make sense from certain historical perspectives.


DebetEsse - Feb 26, 2012 10:35:29 am PST #23786 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I've heard about that from a number of sources: the idea of first sleep and second sleep. Apparently, the time between was very productive (meant non-euphemistically) for a lot of people. ISTR Jefferson being cited on that.


Jesse - Feb 26, 2012 10:37:23 am PST #23787 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Isn't there some traditional middle-of-the-night (or, early morning, depending on how you think of it) prayer time for some Christian monks? Not sure why I think that.


Jessica - Feb 26, 2012 10:40:35 am PST #23788 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

During which they would... I dunno. Hang out, eat, have sex?

According to the book I read about it, yeah, pretty much. It was called...something with Sleep in the title. Helpfulness, I haz it.

[eta: That said, I'm not sure the idea of first sleep / second sleep is so much relevant to modern day insomnia, though, because people used to go to bed a lot earlier. It's not like they were staying up to watch The Daily Show back on the savannah.]


le nubian - Feb 26, 2012 10:43:18 am PST #23789 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

the myth of the 8-hour sleep


Atropa - Feb 26, 2012 10:53:14 am PST #23790 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Ooh, I need to read that article about GABA, because as Pix said:

That describes ALL of the depression, anxiety, and insomnia issues I have struggled with since I was a child.

Nowadays I get okay sleep thanks to Ambien and Xanax, but I'm not thrilled with that being the solution, y'know?


Steph L. - Feb 26, 2012 11:17:09 am PST #23791 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Nowadays I get okay sleep thanks to Ambien and Xanax, but I'm not thrilled with that being the solution, y'know?

Ambien and Xanax and similar drugs *do* have properties that enhance GABA, or maybe help in the production/release of it (I can't remember), but only to a small extent, so that's more of a gift-with-purchase than actually being the purpose of the drug.

So they *are* GABA-ergic (which is a real word), but they don't specifically target GABA. Drugs that specifically target GABA would (I assume) lead to higher levels in the brain without (or with fewer) side effects of drugs like Ambien and Xanax (and, incidentally, GHB).