Tracy: Well-- That call -- That call means you just murdered me. Mal: No, son. You murdered yourself. I just carried the bullet a while.

'The Message'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Feb 17, 2012 6:15:26 pm PST #22642 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

No one remembers anymore that Disney didn't actually create these stories.

Seriously. I'm weirdly disappointed in how much this article misses the point of fairy stories, and treats Walt like he has any ownership of the plots and characters in other than a transient and mercantile sense.

Meredith replied to me that it's his repetitious implication of them as sexual violations that bothers her, but that just makes the guy one note and unimaginative--Walt Disney is the one that fucked with the stories. This guy is not.


Amy - Feb 17, 2012 6:23:40 pm PST #22643 of 30001
Because books.

In the original Cinderella, the stepsisters cut off their own heels to fit into the glass slipper, and birds (iirc) peck out their eyes after Cinderella has married the prince.

In Sleeping Beauty, the mother of the price who wakes her either tries to eat or actually eats her children.

They were cautionary tales, designed to scare the shit out of little kids so they wouldn't misbehave, and reinforce cultural norms of the time. Not one of them featured singing mice, as far as I know, or wise-cracking lobsters.

I looked at the post, by the way, and I think the artist in question is just not very imaginative or very talented, but he's certainly not doing anything new. And he's certainly not the one tarnishing the stories.


beekaytee - Feb 17, 2012 6:35:17 pm PST #22644 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

I took a storytelling course as an undergrad. I'll never forget the day our prof, a Methodist minister, growled, "Whaddya think the evil queen was doing with Rapunzel up in that tower?"

We read early translations of the fairy stories shared on the Silk Road. Disney they weren't.

Not a fairy story, but just as shocking...read Felix Salton's original Bambi sometime. It's a harrowing, anti-war screed right up there with Johnny Got His Gun.

Seriously. How anyone read that book and came away with the Disney version, I'll never understand.


le nubian - Feb 17, 2012 6:40:16 pm PST #22645 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

"Whaddya think the evil queen was doing with Rapunzel up in that tower?"

OMG. I'm gonna have Rapunzel nightmares tonight!


JenP - Feb 17, 2012 6:41:32 pm PST #22646 of 30001

Right???


Dana - Feb 17, 2012 6:43:21 pm PST #22647 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Also, you know, Rapunzel's Prince is thrown out of the tower and has his eyes put out on thorn bushes, and Rapunzel is sent to wander alone in the desert and bears twins.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 17, 2012 6:58:29 pm PST #22648 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

An aunt told me, my mother, and my sister to forgive the cousin who threatened to have me deported and blackmailed my parents. Said it might cure my migraines.

In your shoes, my response to this would have been "Is the cold air from Hell freezing over supposed to soothe headache pain?"


§ ita § - Feb 17, 2012 7:01:12 pm PST #22649 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

"Is the cold air from Hell freezing over supposed to soothe headache pain?"

Having her sit across from her sister and say that her sister's cancer would be cured by the same thing was "all" I needed in terms of talking back.


DavidS - Feb 17, 2012 7:01:25 pm PST #22650 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Also, you know, Rapunzel's Prince is thrown out of the tower and has his eyes put out on thorn bushes, and Rapunzel is sent to wander alone in the desert and bears twins.

Yeah, but she cries on his eyeballs and he's all better.

Asspull!


Strix - Feb 17, 2012 7:32:27 pm PST #22651 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

forgive the cousin who threatened to have me deported and blackmailed my parents.

WHAFUCK??!!

Re: ruining fairy tales -- um, illiterate much? Man, I had the unbowdlerized version of Grimm's from 8 on and I KNEW that fair tales were...well, fucking GRIM.

Also, in one of the original Sleeping Beauties, she is woken by the suckling at her breast of the child Prince Rapey got on her while she was in a magical freaking COMA.