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'Serenity'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Jan 12, 2012 9:40:21 am PST #15885 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

How can the Bloggess reliably tell the difference between someone saying "shouldn't have" and "shouldn't of"? That seems rife with imprecision.


Sophia Brooks - Jan 12, 2012 9:41:53 am PST #15886 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

How can the Bloggess reliably tell the difference between someone saying "shouldn't have" and "shouldn't of"? That seems rife with imprecision.

I think it is specifically her husband, so maybe it is familiarity with how he says both?


Steph L. - Jan 12, 2012 9:52:57 am PST #15887 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Not having read the Bloggess' post, I have to say that I usually make a double contraction out of "shouldn't have" into "shouldn't've." Maybe everyone thinks I'm saying "shouldn't of." Crapsticks.


Burrell - Jan 12, 2012 9:58:33 am PST #15888 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Your wife "went through" it.

Men don't go through pregnancy, I agree, but there should be some way to describe a spouse's experience, or the experience of someone using a surrogate. Not sure how to say it, however.


tommyrot - Jan 12, 2012 10:04:26 am PST #15889 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

there should be some way to describe a spouse's experience

"Got drunk with Don Draper"?


Jessica - Jan 12, 2012 10:06:40 am PST #15890 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

there should be some way to describe a spouse's experience

What's wrong with "my wife/partner is pregnant" ?

[Sorry, that probably sounded snippy. I guess I'm just not understanding what can't be communicated using words we already have.]


Steph L. - Jan 12, 2012 10:12:40 am PST #15891 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

What's wrong with "my wife/partner is pregnant" ?

Is "we're expecting" bad? Because they both are expecting a baby; the woman is just expecting to deliver the baby.

I totally don't know this stuff.


Jessica - Jan 12, 2012 10:18:02 am PST #15892 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

"Expecting" is fine, I think. A little old-fashioned, but way better than "we're pregnant." (Unless the "we" in question is a lesbian couple who are each having a baby. Otherwise, no "we"!)


Burrell - Jan 12, 2012 10:25:26 am PST #15893 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

What's wrong with "my wife/partner is pregnant" ?

I think I was unclear. I didn't mean a way to express the fact that one's spouse is pregnant. I just meant that there is an experiential truth to the idea that pregnancy is meaningful even if you aren't the pregnant person. I wouldn't say my husband got pregnant, in other words, but I wouldn't balk at the idea that he wanted to express some ownership over that experience.

I didn't read the original exchange ita referred to. If all it was was some guy saying "I'm pregnant" instead of "my wife is pregnant" or "we're expecting" then yeah, kinda weird.


§ ita § - Jan 12, 2012 10:58:43 am PST #15894 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

He was saying that pregnancies shouldn't be outsourced to external wombs. He starts off by saying that pregnancy is natural and pregnant women are beautiful and the experience is wonderful.

I said that evaluation was best left to the people who actually get pregnant, and he said he's been through it twice before, because he's a dad.

My takeaway from that and discussion is that pregnancy is just beautiful enough for him, and I haven't been a father, so I couldn't understand, and I can't raise any points of unpleasant pregnancies for some women. If we're going to rate people's visceral involvement in pregnancy and childbirth, you pretty much put the pregnant woman at the top, and everyone can scrabble about it as circumstance dictates.

Good, god, my doctor is letting me run out of methadone again. I really have no idea what their process is for drugs like this. So far I've had a pissy doctor turn in the script, and then I've had a less pissy admin take it to the pharmacy for me. This is absolutely not the sensible way to do it (good for me, because I'm lazy), but it's dumb.