Poor Buffy. Your life resists all things average.

Willow ,'First Date'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Ginger - Dec 14, 2011 7:50:25 am PST #11439 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Congratulations on this milestone and I hope things go well.

What she said. Also, bummer about the dress. There's nothing like paper clothing to brighten your day.


meara - Dec 14, 2011 7:55:00 am PST #11440 of 30001

What's problematic in this instance, at least as some of us see it, is tying a movement about "the power of women," and solidarity with women across the globe, to the wearing of lipstick, with all its cultural baggage, which (as you know) includes a lot of sexist bullshit.

What Kate said. I like wearing lipstick (well, lip gloss usually), but I don't want anyone telling me that I have to OR that I can't. And to tie it to "women's power" somehow is very icky to me.

But apparently im all about being offended lately (see my rant on "shit girls say")


Connie Neil - Dec 14, 2011 7:55:27 am PST #11441 of 30001
brillig

sex bomb red lips

YOu can read it as condescending if you choose. I find it interesting that you think that phrase could be condescending.

I personally, in and of myself, YMMV, for myself alone, think screaming red lipstick says "Look at me, look at my lips, think of sex when you stare at my lips." Yes, I judge women by the color of their lipstick. There are very elegant red lipsticks that enhance a woman's natural lips. There are also very unnatural shades that scream, to me, that the woman chose that color with a very sexual message in mind. Bright red lips have been described as predatory and dangerous and that the woman will devour the man.

Your mileage will vary. Someone here will be mortally offended. I'm not apologizing for my opinions. My intention is not to upset people. But my intention is also not to feel anything but what I do.


smonster - Dec 14, 2011 7:56:27 am PST #11442 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Part of my issue with the whole thing is that wearing lipstick is such a regular thing, unless this effort is hella well-publicized, who's going to know that you are wearing red lipstick for any particular reason? It's not quite as pointless as that whole "post your bra color" thing on fb that gave me apoplexy, but still - why not have it be something out of the usual? Of course, finding something that is "out of the usual" for women across the globe is problematic... but so is red lipstick, since in some cultures it would certainly get you labeled a whore and possibly beat up.

My point is, I love the idea of symbolic visual unity, I just think red lipstick is not the best choice, only partially due to its myriad associations both within and across cultures.

eta sorry to post and run, back later.


Steph L. - Dec 14, 2011 7:58:47 am PST #11443 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I'm going to allow Kate to speak for me, because she does it gracefully, and I appreciate that, since I come off as an offensive dick, apparently.

The idea that I am so naive as to not understand the bullshit marketing in the cosmetics industry or make an informed choice about what I wear on my face or body because i *like* it is offensive.

I'm pretty sure that I didn't at any point say that anyone who chooses to wear makeup is naive. Please don't mischaracterize what I said.

What I said is that I don't see a global movement of women wearing red lipstick as an expression of "power."


Connie Neil - Dec 14, 2011 8:07:41 am PST #11444 of 30001
brillig

I need to make an addenda--there is a place in the world for bright red sex bomb lipstick--if you want to be a sex bomb, and I for one will fight to the death for your right to be a sex bomb. More power to those of you who can pull it off.


Allyson - Dec 14, 2011 8:08:48 am PST #11445 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

What I said is that I don't see a global movement of women wearing red lipstick as an expression of "power."

Would your hackles not be raised if they said, "If you wear lipstick, wear red in solidarity.."?

Bright red lips have been described as predatory and dangerous and that the woman will devour the man.

L'Oreal should then make a color called vagina dentata. And I will buy it with pride.


§ ita § - Dec 14, 2011 8:10:03 am PST #11446 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't want anyone telling me that I have to OR that I can't

Who said you have to? Is that about the gesture of solidarity, or the beauty ideal? I mean, it's not like Spirit Day said you have to wear purple.

I said is that I don't see a global movement of women wearing red lipstick as an expression of "power."

You also said you thought it was inherently compromised, which I still don't get.

who's going to know that you are wearing red lipstick for any particular reason?

Again, Spirit Day is what comes to mind just because it's the last thing I paid attention to, but I don't recall people reacting to it with this objection either.


Jessica - Dec 14, 2011 8:12:37 am PST #11447 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Hmm. Our building is having a fire drill, kind of. We were told by the PA system to report to Stairwell G. On the map of this floor by the elevators, there are two stairwells listed - E and F.

So I guess we're all gonna die in a fire?


Jessica - Dec 14, 2011 8:12:54 am PST #11448 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Pix, I'm so sorry about Byron. He was a good kitty.