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Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Aug 03, 2011 4:50:37 am PDT #19071 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Would you think that *all* the colonists moved away or intermarried? Isn't that weird?


Jesse - Aug 03, 2011 4:56:51 am PDT #19072 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

My relatively uninformed impression is that they were kicked out and/or killed. And on reflection, it's a little weird, but weird shit happens! And maybe is more likely in such a small place? I don't know.


Jesse - Aug 03, 2011 5:02:41 am PDT #19073 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

And the country is currently 95% black: [link] so it's not like non-black Haitians are common, at least.

On the flip side, they say Jamaica is 91% black, and I did go to college with a Chinese-Jamaican guy, so I have first-hand knowledge of a relatively small group in the general population, so.


Consuela - Aug 03, 2011 5:03:33 am PDT #19074 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

My relatively uninformed impression is that they were kicked out.

I admit this is mine, too.


Consuela - Aug 03, 2011 5:04:29 am PDT #19075 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Wikipedia (that font of knowledge!) tells me that many ousted Haitian property-owners ended up resettling in Louisiana. Huh.


tommyrot - Aug 03, 2011 5:05:31 am PDT #19076 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Words With No English Equivalent, Ctd

My wife and I are especially fond of "biritilulo," a word from Papua, New Guinea, that literally means "to argue over yams" but is actually a great, loud row deliberately started between two angry parties as a way of letting out tension. It allows everyone to realize that the conflict in question is silly and to get on with life.

More: [link]

One of my favorite foreign words is rather simple. It’s the German “doch”. It simply means yes, but to a negative question. For example, the question, “You aren’t going?” in English. If you answer “yes”, it is ambiguous (“yes, you aren’t going”, or “yes, you are going”). Doch removes that ambiguity. It always means (in this case), “Yes, you are going”.


§ ita § - Aug 03, 2011 5:10:20 am PDT #19077 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

On the flip side, they say Jamaica is 91% black

And I know plenty of non-black Jamaicans. So I wouldn't write off 5% white Haitians as not existing--they're especially unlikely to be vanishingly small, since there's a shade of a chance they're better off than average (though the post-colonial politics of Haiti were harsher for whites than most other Caribbean countries).

I dunno. I'd never say there were no white people in any country unless I knew it for fact. I mean, I'm not going to say there are no white Chinese people, I just know it's a tiny percentage. Unlikely to encounter them, but I'm not going to erase them.


Jesse - Aug 03, 2011 5:14:24 am PDT #19078 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

That was what I meant by the flip side -- my gut reaction was not actually right, but I don't think it's an uncommon gut reaction to have.

As far as white Chinese people, I'm pretty sure the Tsingtao brewery was founded by Germans, so maybe their people stuck around.


Lee - Aug 03, 2011 5:28:53 am PDT #19079 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I have to admit, when I think of countries with small to non-existent white populations (not that I do that very often, except today), it's usually Asian countries, like Laos or Cambodia, even though I know that's not really true.


DavidS - Aug 03, 2011 5:31:18 am PDT #19080 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

My wife and I are especially fond of "biritilulo," a word from Papua, New Guinea, that literally means "to argue over yams" but is actually a great, loud row deliberately started between two angry parties as a way of letting out tension. It allows everyone to realize that the conflict in question is silly and to get on with life.

There's a word for this in English: Kerfauxfle.