First of all, 'Posse?' Passé

Cordelia ,'Potential'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Burrell - Jul 12, 2011 7:34:18 am PDT #16252 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Thanks for the validation, Matt. I do think I could do a better job of explaining religion to my kids, which I see as a somewhat separate discussion from God.

And in odd segues, that Princess Leia crochet wig rocks my world. I love it!

but rape is just... it's not like anything else.

I'd quibble with that, I think there's also way too many depictions of torture and other forms of dehumanizing ultraviolence depicted in art these days, but then again I think I'm a cultural outlier with regards to my violence tolerance. I really am stupidly squeamish about watching violence.

That said, I'm reading Stiff right now and it's reminding me that dehumanizing ultraviolence has been part of entertaining the masses for centuries. At least nowadays it mostly just happens in fiction, we aren't gibbeting criminals or drawing and quartering people any more.


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2011 7:34:44 am PDT #16253 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I just posted a picture of Jilli in an argument. Had to defend girliness. For some reason, it was being equated with all sorts of negativity, and taking pains with your appearance was equated with shallowness. Why is making the canvas yourself shallower than using a piece of fabric to paint on? It doesn't inherently mean you think you're better than anyone else. Good god.

There is nothing wrong with pink and glitter and lace and sequins. And nothing incompatible with mechanics and computers and guns and fighting and being generally, you know, sensible.

I think that if people handled rape in fiction like...RAPE, I wouldn't mind. Admit that wielded sex pollen is roofies is rape. Admit that men can be raped. Admit that prison rape isn't part of a jail sentence. Admit that it takes recovering from. Admit that no means no. Then I'd be okay. But that so rarely seems to happen.


Sophia Brooks - Jul 12, 2011 7:35:14 am PDT #16254 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

it's just unusable as metaphor. It's radioactive; it mutates the entire story and all the characters and the creators and the consumers of whatever art attempted to use it to suggest anything but itself, and it has a half-life of approximately forever.

JZ- that is a great way to put it. It is just poison. And on Buffy the Willow/Tara stuff was handled so well, possibly because it was not a metaphor of any kind.


Kat - Jul 12, 2011 7:48:48 am PDT #16255 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Burrell, are you enjoying Stiff ?

I think my problem is I want Noah to go to Catholic school but not have any of the forced BS of non-actual-doctrine dogma that the Catholics force on people.

I don't care about whether or not he is an atheist. He'll believe what he believes. But I DO care that he knows the biblical stories, not necessarily that he believes them.


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2011 7:48:52 am PDT #16256 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Burrell, I think most violence on TV is less insidious than rape is, so I don't mind it as much. But when you get to torture or abuse, I also get tetchy. Those are a whole different kettle of fish.


Allyson - Jul 12, 2011 7:53:16 am PDT #16257 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I'm setting off for Vegas and TAM tomorrow which should be...ugly. I think. I'm unsure. I'm completely stoked about meeting Phil Plait and Neil Grasse Tyson, though. I've never been to Vegas.


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2011 7:54:27 am PDT #16258 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I was sitting in a cafe outside Vegas when you called me and asked me why I was late getting into LA. It's my only clear Vegas memory from the drive across the country.

Uh, completely unrelated to anything relevant. Just came to mind.

It was a cool cafe.


Jesse - Jul 12, 2011 7:54:30 am PDT #16259 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Yay msbelle!


Jessica - Jul 12, 2011 7:54:49 am PDT #16260 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Can we declare a moratorium on rape in popular media?

Yes, please.


Jesse - Jul 12, 2011 7:56:12 am PDT #16261 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Oh, and the sexual harassment stuff was my only problem with Horrible Bosses -- lol, rape is funny when it's a hot lady perpetrator.