I just think you're freakin' out 'cause you have to fight someone prettier than you.

Dawn ,'The Killer In Me'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sumi - Jul 12, 2011 5:37:20 am PDT #16241 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Knit or crochet wigs.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 12, 2011 5:46:18 am PDT #16242 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I find my kids are able to hold fairly complex views on God, like that some believe in one kind of God, some in another, some in no God at all, and Franny can articulate what God means to her. And yet despite that, I feel like I've been very remiss in conveying to them a conventional understanding of God.

It sounds like you're doing a good job to me. It's not as if they're going to have trouble finding anyone willing to talk about religion from a traditional believer's perspective should they grow curious about it later on.


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2011 6:21:35 am PDT #16243 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Can we declare a moratorium on rape in popular media? I am especially tired of people's non-reaction to it. It's really depressing. Also creator's non-intent in what seems pretty clearly non-consensual sexual relations. In something that aired recently the showrunner called it "comeuppance" rather than call it rape. What? Never mind the continual Torchwood and Vampire Diaries noncon discussions. Also prison rape as rightful retribution and punchline.


Consuela - Jul 12, 2011 6:38:53 am PDT #16244 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

In something that aired recently the showrunner called it "comeuppance" rather than call it rape.

Seriously? That's revolting.


smonster - Jul 12, 2011 6:48:00 am PDT #16245 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

ita, I second that emotion.


Sophia Brooks - Jul 12, 2011 6:54:34 am PDT #16246 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I agree, ita. I wish the writers/creators would stop non-ntentional using non-consensual things. Frankly, especially in shows with teen audiences, like Vampire Diaries. And even though I was the biggest Spike-redemptionista ever, I never really got over that bathroom scene.


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2011 7:08:28 am PDT #16247 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

At least Willow raping Tara got enough handling by the characters, I felt. Tara acknowledged it, reacted, and blamed Willow. Forgave her eventually, but reacted.

Still, yeah, I never digested Seeing Red either. I'm a canonista with the best of them, but I do replace that with an attempted vamping in my head canon.


JZ - Jul 12, 2011 7:18:48 am PDT #16248 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Sophia, that's exactly what I flashed to the instant ita said that. And I remember wanting the moratorium way back then--I'm pretty sure I had a long discussion with Hec over it. In general I'm all for total artistic freedom and leaving everything in the universe totally up for grabs at the artist's discretion, but rape is just... it's not like anything else. It's a big toxic mess, sex and not sex and a shitty, selfish crime just like any other and completely unlike any other, and it's so fraught with ugly meanings and implications that it's just unusable as metaphor. It's radioactive; it mutates the entire story and all the characters and the creators and the consumers of whatever art attempted to use it to suggest anything but itself, and it has a half-life of approximately forever.


sumi - Jul 12, 2011 7:26:44 am PDT #16249 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

16 pound baby born in Texas.


msbelle - Jul 12, 2011 7:29:07 am PDT #16250 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I am posting from the new part-time job. day 2, things seem not crazy. very organized, clear ideas of what they want me to do, very good about making sure they are available but also that I take breaks and get down time. YAY!