I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

Cheese Man ,'Chosen'


Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jessica - Aug 31, 2010 4:36:31 am PDT #21260 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

At the time health insurance was originally tied to employers, it made a lot more sense than it does today. Curing diseases at the turn of the century was pretty hit or miss, but if you were injured on an assembly line, it seemed only fair that your employer should pay for the emergency care. It was also much more common to work for one company your whole life, so the idea of being "tied to a job for the health insurance" was like, well, the railroad's the only employer in town anyway, so...

(VAST VAST VAST OVERSIMPLIFICATION. COFFEE LEVELS INSUFFICIENT TO GOOGLE AND CORRECT MISTAKES.)


Jesse - Aug 31, 2010 4:36:33 am PDT #21261 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I was thinking of this kind of thing:

actual legislative proposals that would provide financing for optional consultations with doctors about hospice care and other “end of life” services,

From here: [link]


brenda m - Aug 31, 2010 4:40:30 am PDT #21262 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

At the time health insurance was originally tied to employers, it made a lot more sense than it does today. Curing diseases at the turn of the century was pretty hit or miss, but if you were injured on an assembly line, it seemed only fair that your employer should pay for the emergency care. It was also much more common to work for one company your whole life, so the idea of being "tied to a job for the health insurance" was like, well, the railroad's the only employer in town anyway, so...

As I understand it, it was also a response to a labor shortage where employers were trying to stand out from others by adding "perks" like health care. By the time the rest of the [Western] world was looking at public healthcare, the employer based system was pretty entrenched.


Cashmere - Aug 31, 2010 4:41:47 am PDT #21263 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.

After WWII when the soldiers came back, business was booming and there were caps on wages to keep competition for workers fair. However, benefits were not capped so many employers started adding health insurance as incentives to attract workers. That is part of how health insurances got tied to employment.


Cashmere - Aug 31, 2010 4:42:12 am PDT #21264 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.

x-posty with Brenda!


Shir - Aug 31, 2010 4:43:43 am PDT #21265 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Socialist! Commie! HIPPIE!

And here I thought that in order work, generally speaking, you need to be healthy. So that work can be done. Strange.

DH asked me yesterday where the word "hippie" originated. Anyone know?

I heard it's an abbreviation for a social class, such as Yuppie. Can't remember of what, though.


Jesse - Aug 31, 2010 4:45:38 am PDT #21266 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

And here I thought that in order work, generally speaking, you need to be healthy. So that work can be done. Strange.

You need to work hard enough to deserve to be healthy! t /Protestant


Aims - Aug 31, 2010 4:49:26 am PDT #21267 of 30001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

And then feel guilty about doing anything that isn't work or church! t /Catholic


Shir - Aug 31, 2010 4:55:29 am PDT #21268 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

You need to work hard enough to deserve to be healthy!

Oh, rats! We should totally return to the 16 hour work day in health-endangered factories with 40 years of life expectancy of chronic pain, then!

And dammit, the whole part of the entitlement of who deserves what basic rights. Don't even get me started on this one. All that I can tell you is that I watch parts of "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition", and can't, for the life of me, to say what makes one deserved and what's not. I believe it's called "luck", and from what I observed, it's usually distributed unequally. And with that, the God(s) of luck you pray to aren't divine, at all. They're humans who emphasis inequality of rights. < / Žižek>

Sometimes, I look at the human kind, and go all "c'mon. We've been dealing with this issue since at least the 9th century (at least, as documented in writing). That's the best we can come up with? Really?".


ChiKat - Aug 31, 2010 4:59:20 am PDT #21269 of 30001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

I'd like to think that getting health services is a basic right for everyone.

So would I, but there is definitely a part of our society who believes health insurance and health care is something you work for and don't just get. That segment tends to get really angry about having to fund other people's "free stuff." These are also, generally, privileged people who have been very lucky and have had jobs, money, and health insurance.