These are stone killers, little man. They ain't cuddly like me.

Jayne ,'The Train Job'


Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Connie Neil - Aug 25, 2010 1:44:19 pm PDT #20159 of 30001
brillig

A couple of weeks later they find out that someone the daughter had been in school with as a girl was coming back to 8th grade (or whatever) as a boy!

What a brave, new world that has such people in't.

I don't think such a thing would even have been contemplated when I was in the 8th grade. Or even acknowledged to exist.


§ ita § - Aug 25, 2010 1:47:22 pm PDT #20160 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

coming back to 8th grade (or whatever) as a boy!

Seriously? Whoa. Age 13? Go Team Shiloh.


Amy - Aug 25, 2010 1:50:14 pm PDT #20161 of 30001
Because books.

That's pretty awesome. When I was in high school, no one was even out as gay.


§ ita § - Aug 25, 2010 1:54:39 pm PDT #20162 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

High school in Jamaica? Hell no, no one was gay. High school in England, chicks totally made out with each other. But it was hard to tell if that was boredom or lesbianity or a need to shock.


hippocampus - Aug 25, 2010 1:54:44 pm PDT #20163 of 30001
not your mom's socks.

Thank god all you people are going to be right here where you're supposed to be after we move.

This. And some of us will be right there where you're moving too!


Amy - Aug 25, 2010 1:57:07 pm PDT #20164 of 30001
Because books.

And some of us will be right there where you're moving too!

I know! And I'm extremely grateful!


Jesse - Aug 25, 2010 1:57:09 pm PDT #20165 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Yeah, I guess they are letting him take hormones so he doesn't develop, as well, which I think is really something on the part of the parents.


Connie Neil - Aug 25, 2010 1:57:55 pm PDT #20166 of 30001
brillig

they are letting him take hormones so he doesn't develop, as well, which I think is really something on the part of the parents

I wonder how long it'll be before someone accuses them of abuse. t the cynic tag never closes.


§ ita § - Aug 25, 2010 1:59:16 pm PDT #20167 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Are you allowed to have medical intervention in gender development that early, outside of an intersex issue? I thought you needed years of therapy, etc. Or is that only for surgery and not medication?


DawnK - Aug 25, 2010 2:01:43 pm PDT #20168 of 30001
giraffe mode

One of my daughter's BFF's is transgendered (F to M). My daughter said none of their friends thought a thing about it from about 8th grade on. The only backlash was from his parents, who refused to allow even a legal name change and the school district, who forced traditional female dress code for both middle school and high school graduation ceremonies. I was well pleased at the kid's acceptance, nsm with the adults though.