Everything looks good from here... Yes. Yes, this is a fertile land, and we will thrive. We will rule over all this land, and we will call it... 'This Land.' I think we should call it 'your grave!' Ah, curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal! Ha ha HA! Mine is an evil laugh! Now die! Oh, no, God! Oh, dear God in heaven!

Wash ,'Serenity'


Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Amy - Aug 25, 2010 1:57:07 pm PDT #20164 of 30001
Because books.

And some of us will be right there where you're moving too!

I know! And I'm extremely grateful!


Jesse - Aug 25, 2010 1:57:09 pm PDT #20165 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Yeah, I guess they are letting him take hormones so he doesn't develop, as well, which I think is really something on the part of the parents.


Connie Neil - Aug 25, 2010 1:57:55 pm PDT #20166 of 30001
brillig

they are letting him take hormones so he doesn't develop, as well, which I think is really something on the part of the parents

I wonder how long it'll be before someone accuses them of abuse. t the cynic tag never closes.


§ ita § - Aug 25, 2010 1:59:16 pm PDT #20167 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Are you allowed to have medical intervention in gender development that early, outside of an intersex issue? I thought you needed years of therapy, etc. Or is that only for surgery and not medication?


DawnK - Aug 25, 2010 2:01:43 pm PDT #20168 of 30001
giraffe mode

One of my daughter's BFF's is transgendered (F to M). My daughter said none of their friends thought a thing about it from about 8th grade on. The only backlash was from his parents, who refused to allow even a legal name change and the school district, who forced traditional female dress code for both middle school and high school graduation ceremonies. I was well pleased at the kid's acceptance, nsm with the adults though.


Amy - Aug 25, 2010 2:03:44 pm PDT #20169 of 30001
Because books.

I think the psych eval and all has more to do with surgical sex reassignment, but I would hope with a child that age they're exploring counseling. No matter how certain someone is about doing it, that's young, and it's a huge change even if you want the result.


§ ita § - Aug 25, 2010 2:05:50 pm PDT #20170 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think I'd let a kid of mine call themselves a male name and dress male (note how I only give birth to XX), but I don't think I'd be down with medical stuff before 16. Shit's too crazy, man.


Amy - Aug 25, 2010 2:08:25 pm PDT #20171 of 30001
Because books.

Dana, so this kid was living as a boy from eighth grade on and the school made him dress as a girl for his graduation ceremonies?

Why do people FAIL so utterly?


DawnK - Aug 25, 2010 2:17:16 pm PDT #20172 of 30001
giraffe mode

Yup, 'tis true. School district said until he was 18 as long as his parents didn't allow for legal name/gender change then they had to "apply the rules". While he was in the top 10% of his class he elected not to attend his high school graduation because he didn't want to be forced to wear a dress. By that time he was 18 and had legally changed his name and was in the process of gender reassignment, school district wouldn't budge though because they are idiots.


Hil R. - Aug 25, 2010 2:18:32 pm PDT #20173 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Are you allowed to have medical intervention in gender development that early, outside of an intersex issue? I thought you needed years of therapy, etc. Or is that only for surgery and not medication?

From what I've read about it (I'm sure other people know more), the medication that they give to preteen and teenage kids doesn't make them develop as the sex they identify as, it just prevents puberty of any sort. So the kid goes through the teenage years with the prepubescent body, and doesn't have to go through all the "I'm growing the wrong things" trauma. Then, when they're older and considered old enough to make a permanent decision, they can either start taking the drugs and have the surgery (if they want) to develop as the sex they identify as, or they can decide to just stop taking the drugs, and go through all the physical parts of puberty as a young adult and develop all the adult characteristics of the sex they were born as. I think they still grow taller as teenagers, though, but I can't totally remember. It's a way to hold off the decision until the kid is an adult, without putting the kid's body through anything more than they need to.