Wesley: And how does your kind define love? Demon: Same as all bodies. Same as everywheres. Love is sacrifice.

'The Girl in Question'


Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Aug 18, 2010 12:05:08 pm PDT #18746 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I've yet to see an article pondering why straight men like to watch two women getting it on.

That article spends a fair amount of time on it. I've certainly seen it more often than about women liking man on man.

I'm irritated by what they quote, that slash satisfies an urge to see a romance of equals that can't be satisfied by straight pairings.

Uh, fuck you? I'm not a big romance/porn reader outside of fanfic, but what I have read? The women were equal. I don't care if society is still sexist, that's not the point. It didn't fuck with the courtship and fuck it up.


Vortex - Aug 18, 2010 12:07:31 pm PDT #18747 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Yeah, I have a huge problem with that premise. I've written slash, and I don't write it because I want to be a gay man, I write it because hot people having sex is hot. When I write, I don't think about Ron Jeremy, I think about Matt Bomer.


Connie Neil - Aug 18, 2010 12:08:20 pm PDT #18748 of 30001
brillig

slash satisfies an urge to see a romance of equals that can't be satisfied by straight pairings.

That's why I like slash, but it's more because in stories men are perceived to be equals to start with, and there are specific men I want to see interacting romantically. I'm happy with strong women being the equal of the guy, I've written that stuff. It's just that most recently I'm all about the guys not being so tough and macho that they can't get a little giddy about getting to touch the other guy.

YSlashM (and will) V


§ ita § - Aug 18, 2010 12:12:39 pm PDT #18749 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Am I reading the wrong stories? Half the time in SPN slash they aren't equals, depending on who tops and who bottoms. You're more likely to get emotional parity out of the relatively rarer het fics than a lot of the slash in the fandom.

But seriously, I didn't think there was a big deal in the canons with the women being subordinate to the men. Except, in some explicit situations like SG1, but that was made big deal of. Certainly not emotional or social inferiors. It's 2010. It's pretty easy to avoid that stuff.


Typo Boy - Aug 18, 2010 12:16:30 pm PDT #18750 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I love chicken skin like whoa too, but a sandwich of just chicken skin is overdoing it.

In related me-me-me dinner for the next two nights: stew of pork loin, turnip greens, finely diced zucchini, onion, kidney beans cooked in salsa, wine, lime juice, garlic with brown sugar. Question: if this were fan-fiction, would it be x-over or fusion?


erikaj - Aug 18, 2010 12:22:15 pm PDT #18751 of 30001
Always Anti-fascist!

As a long-time chicken skin fan, I have to say "Yuck," to the all-skin sandwich. What is up with KFC and the icky sandwiches lately?


Kathy A - Aug 18, 2010 12:24:26 pm PDT #18752 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

A few weeks back, I went through the KFC drive thru just for a grilled chicken sandwich (no tomato), and they kept trying to sell me the double-down. Ewww, no!!


bon bon - Aug 18, 2010 12:28:53 pm PDT #18753 of 30001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

That gawker article didn't sound right AT ALL. Not to say that a gay guy can never credibly explain why certain women and straight guys are into what they're into, but that gay guy sure can't.


Daisy Jane - Aug 18, 2010 12:34:33 pm PDT #18754 of 30001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Skin sandwich may be fake, but what about pizza burger? [link]


Kathy A - Aug 18, 2010 12:36:51 pm PDT #18755 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

We had pizza burgers at my college hangout back in the '80s, burger with mozzarella cheese and pizza sauce.