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Gudanov - Feb 09, 2010 12:43:31 pm PST #7415 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

I think the goal of having consumer choice of an energy provider is a good one. Having the right regulatory structure for that is the trick. I have to admit I haven't studied the issue to see how it's worked out in the various states that are trying it, though there's not a single model appropriate for every state. If it came up as a ballot issue here, I'd have to feel really good about the model to vote for it even though I think the goal is a good one.

Edit: Clearly the way it was done in CA wasn't the right way.


Sue - Feb 09, 2010 12:50:54 pm PST #7416 of 30001
hip deep in pie

Angry Norwegians in scuba gear chase after Google Street View car

Angry or drunk?


Steph L. - Feb 09, 2010 12:57:09 pm PST #7417 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Angry Norwegians in scuba gear chase after Google Street View car

I love the internet.


Ginger - Feb 09, 2010 1:01:56 pm PST #7418 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

In Georgia, any new customer with a 500kV load or higher can choose its electricity supplier, and there's pretty spirited competition between Georgia Power, the EMCs and municipal utilities. That has worked out because the company that wins the contract pays to build the lines and other infrastructure for the business.

However, there are deregulation structures that require utilities to buy power from alternate power providers, regardless of cost. Californians have an idea how that works out.

Also, we're looking at regional electricity shortages now because existing and proposed deregulation has meant that no utility has built a large power plant from more than 20 years. It's all very well to say there's excess power in some parts of the country, but most of the power grid is more than 40 years old, and it simply can handling wheeling large amounts of power.

I don't see any structure for deregulation with current technology that isn't going to eventually screw residential customers.

(I'll shut up now. It's a subject close to my heart.)


megan walker - Feb 09, 2010 1:11:23 pm PST #7419 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

megan, you weren't here for the brown-out and super high PG&E bills period. It sucked.

I was just wondering if complaints about PG&E bills were like taxes, i.e., Californians think they are so high, but yet they're cheaper than everywhere else I've been.


§ ita § - Feb 09, 2010 1:12:46 pm PST #7420 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I introduced myself to the lady with the swag from my two-jobs-ago. We had a good time reminiscing about the shady hazy crazy days of that company. Man, that shit was dodgy. And she was all up in the dodginess, straight out of university. I can't imagine what that must be like, to look back on what you did right out of college and see that doing what you were told to do was drawing the wool over people's eyes.


flea - Feb 09, 2010 1:16:43 pm PST #7421 of 30001
information libertarian

The auto-translated article from a Norwegian newspaper linked from the Boing Boing post is comedy gold, as well.


DavidS - Feb 09, 2010 1:19:48 pm PST #7422 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I was just wondering if complaints about PG&E bills were like taxes

They more than doubled for a while because of the Enron shenanigans.

Then we got the pleasure of reading transcriptions of the power brokers on the phones laughing like hell while they very deliberately fucked us over.

In fact, should I ever meet somebody at a cocktail party who mentions they were in the Texas energy biz there's a high chance my hands will reflexively fly to their throat.


megan walker - Feb 09, 2010 1:21:28 pm PST #7423 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

They more than doubled for a while because of the Enron shenanigans.

My P&G bill would have to triple to equal what I paid in NY or MD.

But I don't think I'm the average consumer. (Given that my monthly bill is $13-14 for gas & electric).


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 09, 2010 1:25:21 pm PST #7424 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Our energy bills tend to be fairly low - last month's high water mark for me was an $85 bill for an 800 square foot apartment during a single digit cold snap. There are benefits to saying "Sure, build more nuclear power plants in our state!"