Everything looks good from here... Yes. Yes, this is a fertile land, and we will thrive. We will rule over all this land, and we will call it... 'This Land.' I think we should call it 'your grave!' Ah, curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal! Ha ha HA! Mine is an evil laugh! Now die! Oh, no, God! Oh, dear God in heaven!

Wash ,'Serenity'


Spike's Bitches 45: That sure as hell wasn't in the brochure.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Laura - Nov 21, 2009 5:55:43 am PST #1214 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

I'm sorry, Connie. I hope your sister's chemo is effective. It has to be a plus that she is in good health otherwise.

Absurdly lazy this morning. I had a headache when I woke up at 6, so I just fed the animals and went back to bed with aspirin. Stayed there a few hours. I still haven't done anything more ambitious than make a pot of tea and catch up on the internet. Need to get going, and yet.


sj - Nov 21, 2009 6:35:07 am PST #1215 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

{{{Connie}}} Tons of ~ma for your sister.


Steph L. - Nov 21, 2009 6:56:09 am PST #1216 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I don't want to re-open a can of worms here, but remember the recent conversation about ableist language?

I know this is something I have to decide for myself, but as I read blogs by (mostly) women with disabilities, I'm increasingly thrown for a loop as word after word gets called out as an ableist word.

Such as "intelligence." Really??? I don't get that one. Even reading that whole entry, I don't get it. Or perhaps what I mean is that I don't agree with it. But then I don't know to what degree my lack of agreement is clinging to my privilege.

I just don't know.


DavidS - Nov 21, 2009 7:08:21 am PST #1217 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I know this is something I have to decide for myself, but as I read blogs by (mostly) women with disabilities, I'm increasingly thrown for a loop as word after word gets called out as an ableist word.

As I worked through it in my discussion with smonster I think it's counterproductive to follow every logical parallel to an offensive phrase to its conclusion. I think that curbing the language use needs to be in response to specific instances of objection, and shouldn't be a broadly generalized principle.


DavidS - Nov 21, 2009 7:10:11 am PST #1218 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Her specific gripe seems to be with the politics of intelligence testing.


erikaj - Nov 21, 2009 8:37:50 am PST #1219 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!

If a person can't have a disability and be snobbish about her intellectual gifts, the terrorists have won, Teppy. But I confound nearly every educational theorist who's ever met me anyway.Because I'm both Gifted and LD.(maybe a lot of people are?) but testers are always flummoxed.


sj - Nov 21, 2009 8:42:00 am PST #1220 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

If a person can't have a disability and be snobbish about her intellectual gifts, the terrorists have won, Teppy. But I confound nearly every educational theorist who's ever met me anyway.Because I'm both Gifted and LD.(maybe a lot of people are?) but testers are always flummoxed.

Bwah! Yes, I would be more offended with the automatic assumption that one cannot be both disabled and intelligent. An assumption I have encountered more than once.


Hil R. - Nov 21, 2009 8:48:43 am PST #1221 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Yeah, I remember reading that post, and definitely disagreed with it. She's right about how intelligence testing has been used, but I don't think that's a reason to throw out the entire concept altogether.


Jessica - Nov 21, 2009 9:00:24 am PST #1222 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

She's right about how intelligence testing has been used, but I don't think that's a reason to throw out the entire concept altogether.

Yes - there's a HUGE difference between saying "IQ tests are flawed and have been used to justify all sort of horrific racism/etc" and saying "No human being is more or less intelligent than any other human being," and she seems to be conflating the two in a big way.

[eta: And while I can see where she's coming from with the "let's stop testing intelligence and just teach everyone everything" stuff, I'd be pretty fucking uncomfortable in a world where that line of thinking extended to, say, medical school.]


erikaj - Nov 21, 2009 9:03:32 am PST #1223 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!

Also, people seem to ascribe a lot to physical functioning, which I know I'm not good at. I've told people my functional limitations and been told "But you're so smart..." hello? different parts of brain. Yes, I think it's freaky too. But here we are. Basically, I'm wired like a Fiat. Only Tony took one look and decided he's not a miracle worker and they don't pay enough anyway so... Jessica, yes. You don't want me in engineering...you just don't.my proportions are all off and I count on my fingers sometimes. Am I as smart as an engineer? Sometimes, sometimes not.