Jayne: 'Cause I don't know these folks. Don't much care to. Mal: They're whores. Jayne: I'm in.

'Heart Of Gold'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


aurelia - Nov 26, 2009 8:45:37 am PST #21580 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I'm still trying to figure out why all musicals have to be based on a movie these days. Isn't there any original theater left?

Plenty. Just not usually on Broadway.

I recently discovered that the cave my grandparents used to work at has a web page. [link] We used to spend two weeks with them every summer and my grandfather would let me help give the tours. I wish I had some of those old postcards.

I am on my own today. I slept 'til 11, fed the cats, washed some dishes, made coffee and gave each cat some lap time. Eventually I might make some enchiladas. My only (vague) reference to tradition is the pumpkin cheese chocolate ganache I have sitting in the fridge.


§ ita § - Nov 26, 2009 9:24:56 am PST #21581 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Can a lawyer breach client-lawyer confidentiality if they know the client is going to commit a future crime? I was wondering if, in The Good Wife, Alicia could rat on Stern if she knew he was going to drive again with his dementia.


Lee - Nov 26, 2009 9:43:31 am PST #21582 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

They are in Illinois, right? There is a special rule for clients with diminished capacity >[link]

eta: but I think under section 8, no.


§ ita § - Nov 26, 2009 9:53:24 am PST #21583 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What are the conditions in which a lawyer can? Upcoming bodily harm?


Lee - Nov 26, 2009 9:57:02 am PST #21584 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Depends on the state, but here is Illinois' rule:

RULE 1.6: CONFIDENTIALITY OF INFORMATION

(a) A lawyer shall not reveal information relating to the representation of a client unless the client gives informed consent, the disclosure is impliedly authorized in order to carry out the representation, or the disclosure is permitted by paragraph (b) or required by paragraph (c).

(b) A lawyer may reveal information relating to the representation of a client to the extent the lawyer reasonably believes necessary:

(1) to prevent the client from committing a crime in circumstances other than those specified in paragraph (c);

(2) to prevent the client from committing fraud that is reasonably certain to result in substantial injury to the financial interests or property of another and in furtherance of which the client has used or is using the lawyer’s services;

(3) to prevent, mitigate or rectify substantial injury to the financial interests or property of another that is reasonably certain to result or has resulted from the client’s commission of a crime or fraud in furtherance of which the client has used the lawyer’s services;

(4) to secure legal advice about the lawyer’s compliance with these Rules;

(5) to establish a claim or defense on behalf of the lawyer in a controversy between the lawyer and the client, to establish a defense to a criminal charge or civil claim against the lawyer based upon conduct in which the client was involved, or to respond to allegations in any proceeding concerning the lawyer’s representation of the client; or

(6) to comply with other law or a court order.

(c) A lawyer shall reveal information relating to the representation of a client to the extent the lawyer reasonably believes necessary to prevent reasonably certain death or substantial bodily harm.

(d) Information received by a lawyer participating in a meeting or proceeding with a trained intervener or panel of trained interveners of an approved lawyers’ assistance program, or in an intermediary program approved by a circuit court in which nondisciplinary complaints against judges or lawyers can be referred, shall be considered information relating to the representation of a client for purposes of these Rules.


§ ita § - Nov 26, 2009 10:03:26 am PST #21585 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So for The Good Wife scenario there isn't enough of a claim to "reasonably certain death or substantial bodily harm" if he's driving impaired?

I also wondered--the privilege must extend to agents of the lawyer, right? So Kalinda is bound too, right?


Lee - Nov 26, 2009 10:05:51 am PST #21586 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

It's a gray area, I think.

Yes on Kalinda.


smonster - Nov 26, 2009 10:57:13 am PST #21587 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

There seems to be a hole in the market for 12 Days of Christmas underwear too.

I want an Underwear of the Month club. Do those exist?

Frasier firs are our OT Xmas tree. I hope my new roomie will go in with me on one.

I'm watching my cousin's one yo daughter sort and dump. She's a cutie. And now there are bubbles! So exciting.


Kat - Nov 26, 2009 11:01:16 am PST #21588 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Oh man.

So I found a fresh turkey that cost 8 times as much as my overly brined one (and yes I bought it). But then I thought, we may as well make make the brined one because at the least it could be stock.

So we roasted the brined + injected one. And it is FINE. And now we are roasting the other turkey too. Double TURKEY!!

Have to make the bean casserole still and the biscuits. But Grace is here with us watching TV along with the family and Thanksgiving has never been better.


Calli - Nov 26, 2009 11:12:08 am PST #21589 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Yay for Grace's first Thanksgiving at home!