Thanks, FB. Dances With Wolves was enough of a turnoff (never saw The New World) that I think I'll wait for the effects to percolate to a story that doesn't make me feel patronised to at a basic level.
Now you can luxuriate in a nice jail cell, but if your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty flowered bonnet, I will end you.
Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'
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§ ita § - Dec 11, 2009 5:23:11 am PST #5489 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Connie Neil - Dec 11, 2009 5:30:53 am PST #5490 of 30000
brillig
The book Dances With Wolves ends differently than the movie. In the book, the cavalry guy gets back to the tribe and is talking about running off with Stands With Fist, but the chief says, "No, we're off to the winter village soon anyway, and when the white men come looking for [whatever his American name is], we will say we know of no such man, we know only Dances With Wolves and his wife." I would have liked that ending much better on the movie.
erikaj - Dec 11, 2009 5:34:43 am PST #5491 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!
I loved "Dances" at the time, but the effect doesn't last when you have to pull up your big-girl pants, does it? But I'm guessing that the big, sweeping, part is what Fone is talking about...right?(Not to put words in your mouth; someone did that to me on the 'net yesterday...I'm not a big fan.) But that would be a good conversational topic: What's the biggest movie that you really liked when you saw it that didn't hold up when you watched it again? I'll say Dances and Forrest Gump which in the theater I found really amusing, but on rewatch, had some really ugly bits (about Jenny) I mostly blew past.
Steph L. - Dec 11, 2009 5:40:08 am PST #5492 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
The book Dances With Wolves ends differently than the movie. In the book, the cavalry guy gets back to the tribe and is talking about running off with Stands With Fist, but the chief says, "No, we're off to the winter village soon anyway, and when the white men come looking for [whatever his American name is], we will say we know of no such man, we know only Dances With Wolves and his wife." I would have liked that ending much better on the movie.
Wait, how did the movie end? That sounds like the way the movie ended. Perhaps I've made up a more palatable ending in my head.
Connie Neil - Dec 11, 2009 5:42:38 am PST #5493 of 30000
brillig
The movie ends with Dances With Wolves proposing to go to the government and confronting them on how they treat Indians, despite the fact that when he pops his head up he's going to be locked up for desertion. The chief had proposed he just disappear into the tribe, but Dances felt the need to Make A Statement.
Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 11, 2009 5:52:50 am PST #5494 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Everything I've seen about the plot of Avatar so far is white man goes in to rescue natives and goes native himself (possibly for/with love of a fair alien maiden). Can your DH tell me it's not that, or it's more than that? Because I don't think the spectacle could get me over the hump.ita echoes my own feelings about this - at least when I saw this story with Karl Urban as the guy running around in a loincloth saving the Noble Savages from his countrymen, I could appreciate the view if not the story. Smurfy Sam Worthington doesn't hold the same appeal, and all the SFX footage looked so video game-y and unreal in the previews I've seen that it's not a selling point.
§ ita § - Dec 11, 2009 6:21:55 am PST #5495 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'll buy the idea that the effects are so revolutionary that I won't be able to understand how much without seeing the movie big screen, 3D. Because I haven't been taken with what I've seen so far, but people who've seen it up close seem to like it.
But when Terminator 2 rocked my socks, the story got me too. And that was from the trailers and having watched Terminator for the first time on the big screen the night before. I'd say Jurassic Park is probably the biggest FX movie with the weakest story I didn't regret seeing. I just had no interest in seeing it again, although it had me scrunched up in my seat in the theatre.
Forrest Gump bothered me from the get go. I hated his character from the start and resented his insertion into every important event of his lifetime, especially including the sacrifice of his lady love to HIV.
tommyrot - Dec 11, 2009 6:23:54 am PST #5496 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Worst Movies of the 2000s: The 40 Biggest Stinkers of the Decade
I've never heard of this one:
34. 'Kickin' It Old Skool' (2007)
Jamie Kennedy as a breakdancer who wakes up from a coma after 20 years? We really wish someone had pulled the plug on this unfunny stinker.
Jessica - Dec 11, 2009 6:25:12 am PST #5497 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
all the SFX footage looked so video game-y and unreal in the previews I've seen that it's not a selling point.
The footage you're seeing in trailers isn't fully rendered and has been flattened to accomodate a 2D display. It's not even close to how the finished movie will look in a theatre.
§ ita § - Dec 11, 2009 6:28:44 am PST #5498 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I never got the hate for Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever. It wasn't great, but it had fun moments. And one of my favourite movie lines, when Sever reveals her closet of weapons goodies and says "Some women buy shoes." I like Banderas and Liu as action heroes.
The others, on the other hand, all looked like crap, although Babylon AD tempted me for a little while.