I'm so sorry, but if it makes you feel any better, my fun-time-Buffy party night involved watching a robot throw Spike through a window, so if you want to trade... no wait, I wouldn't give up that memory for anything.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


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Jessica - Jun 18, 2013 4:51:40 pm PDT #24737 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

LeN, your last paragraph sounds like a movie I would have really enjoyed!


Zenkitty - Jun 18, 2013 5:37:57 pm PDT #24738 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

ita !, it's a problematic stance. Zod is written as not behaving rationally from the very beginning of the movie, so expecting him to behave rationally at the end is unreasonable. Obviously we wouldn't have the movie if Zod hadn't tried to conquer/destroy Earth. It just bugs me that Zod's reason for invading Earth is irrational, and not one person, including Superman, ever addresses the fact that the invasion was unnecessary, or the fact that what Zod really wants is a legitimate desire. Even if Zod wasn't about to listen, Superman could have said, look, all you want is your people back, we can totally do that, you don't even need my adopted planet.

But I may not be being reasonable there.


le nubian - Jun 18, 2013 5:59:09 pm PDT #24739 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

except...

Superman didn't know where the codex was. knowing what we know now, I am not sure Superman could give them what they want, or that the process was easy.


Zenkitty - Jun 18, 2013 6:11:16 pm PDT #24740 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

But they knew where it was, and it could be retrieved without hurting him -- Jor-El wouldn't have made it impossible or even painful to get it out of him. And if anyone were behaving rationally, they could have worked together.

I know, I know. I'm a dreamer. Wanting people to behave rationally and work together. Where's teh drama.


Jessica - Jun 18, 2013 6:14:27 pm PDT #24741 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

That was a huge problem I had, actually. What, exactly, was Jor-El's plan for the future of Krypton? He encodes the Codex into Kal-El's cells, and then....what? Are we just supposed to assume that there was more information on the Super-USB drive about how to get it OUT of his cells and into a format that could result in more Kryptonians?


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 18, 2013 6:32:37 pm PDT #24742 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Presumably, since that ship in the arctic was designed to colonize a new planet and had one of those Matrix-style Genesis Chambers, that could have been used to recreate the Kryptonian race on earth once Clark found the thing. Zod certainly seemed to want to use it for that purpose, albeit with negative concern about how the process would affect Clark's wellbeing.

The part of the machine in the Indian Ocean must have caused tsunamis. It wasn't meant to be an unpopulated area, either; they showed a fisherman there. Must have been horrible destruction.

They said that it was using gravity to simulate increasing the earth's mass. It may be that the sudden return to normal once it was broken would generate tsunami tides everywhere when the world's oceans suddenly stopped being compressed by the additional weight.


§ ita § - Jun 18, 2013 6:33:07 pm PDT #24743 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Wait, so the good guy's plan was the one that didn't make sense?

I am cast in mind (unfavourably) towards Transformers, where the best I could work out was that in order to beat the guys who want to steal the thingy, you've got to give them the thingy. And, without irony, you will win and we will all be safe.

Perhaps it's fairer to say that no one's plans made sense in that movie, but here it at least sounds like crazy angry guy wants something that's reasonable to want.


Jessica - Jun 18, 2013 6:36:41 pm PDT #24744 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Oh how I wish anyone, anyone on this team of scriptwriters had looked up the Wikipedia entry on gravity. Because the explanation of how the World Engine worked was painful.


Jessica - Jun 18, 2013 6:37:39 pm PDT #24745 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Perhaps it's fairer to say that no one's plans made sense in that movie, but here it at least sounds like crazy angry guy wants something that's reasonable to want.

Yeah, I'd agree with that.


le nubian - Jun 18, 2013 6:40:33 pm PDT #24746 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

OMG. No shit. Furthermore, there is the very obvious issue that didn't they fucking ruin Krypton by fucking with the core? Didn't Zod criticize the council for fucking with the core?

Then what did he do? Fuck with the core. I just did not understand that shit at all.