I thought it was fun too. Stupid, but fun.
Kaylee: H-how did you... g-get on...? Early: Strains the mind a bit, don't it? You think you're all alone. Maybe I come down the chimney, Kaylee. Bring presents to the good girls and boys.
'Objects In Space'
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Dana - May 26, 2013 11:49:11 am PDT #24562 of 30000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
§ ita § - May 26, 2013 11:53:18 am PDT #24563 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I read a complaint that old!Kirk respected women, with a not-so-between-the-lines implication that nuKirk did not.
I'm trying to imagine Shatner's Kirk evincing any particular respect for women, or Pine's Kirk being a sexist ass that's new to the franchise (for some reason my brain keeps replacing Shatner's communicator with an ERA Now! button), and I'm not sure what in particular they're referring to.
Consuela - May 26, 2013 12:02:52 pm PDT #24564 of 30000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
My take on Shatner!Kirk is that he's not particularly bad for the time when it was made. It was expected that a single male lead/hero would have an assortment of brief attachments during the run of the show. And only one was something I'd call love (Edith Keeler). He's not obnoxious to the women on his crew, and I can't imagine him stealing a look at someone changing her clothes after she's asked him not to.
Pine!Kirk is more, well, obnoxious, I think. He hits on Uhuru pretty relentlessly, and comes across as more of a jackass generally, even if he doesn't necessarily sleep around any more than Shatner!Kirk did.
That's my take, anyway. If ST is supposed to convey an egalitarian future, in comparison to the present day, Pine is failing rather more than Shatner did.
Jesse - May 26, 2013 12:04:31 pm PDT #24565 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
In the new timeline, we're only just approaching the timing of TOS, right? I hope Pine!Kirk gets less jackassish as they go, assuming they're going to keep going.
Scrappy - May 26, 2013 12:05:35 pm PDT #24566 of 30000
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
Count me in on the liked it train.
sj - May 26, 2013 12:16:28 pm PDT #24567 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
I really liked it too.
Dana - May 26, 2013 12:25:12 pm PDT #24568 of 30000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
This Kirk is much younger, though. I think (or fanwank) that a lot of the more irritating personality traits, or traits that seem less connected to the original series, come from that.
§ ita § - May 26, 2013 1:37:01 pm PDT #24569 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
He hit on Uhura pretty relentlessly until he relented--it took her being taken to shut him up which is not how you're supposed to act, but there were pretty much no women who weren't potential (and then realised) partners for Shatner!Kirk.
I don't see how there's any difficulty with drawing a line from this Kirk to the one we watched in TOS--it doesn't take much more than time and growing up since I don't see that he's starting from way behind.
I like TOS Star Trek, but I never liked Kirk. I found him really obnoxious, smug, and irritating. It also wasn't a stellar (ho ho) example of deft storytelling or character development or, god forbid, worldbuilding. Those things were refined from the Next Generation onwards. And not always achieved either.
Atropa - May 26, 2013 1:40:56 pm PDT #24570 of 30000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.
I thought ST:ID was fun, in the dumb, things blowing up, those people are all very decorative way. But I also understand why Trek fans are angry about it, and I feel the writing was lazy.
Matt the Bruins fan - May 26, 2013 2:27:14 pm PDT #24571 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Just got back from a matinee of Fast 6, and I think I enjoyed it more than the Iron Man movie this summer. Despite all the Peter pan-style action by various people and vehicles, the only thing that really broke my suspension of disbelief was Shaw and his men being released on the Rock's say-so after attacking military targets and turning God knows how many Spanish civillians into road pizza with a stolen tank.