In the new timeline, we're only just approaching the timing of TOS, right? I hope Pine!Kirk gets less jackassish as they go, assuming they're going to keep going.
I got stupid. The money was too good.
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Jesse - May 26, 2013 12:04:31 pm PDT #24565 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Scrappy - May 26, 2013 12:05:35 pm PDT #24566 of 30000
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
Count me in on the liked it train.
sj - May 26, 2013 12:16:28 pm PDT #24567 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
I really liked it too.
Dana - May 26, 2013 12:25:12 pm PDT #24568 of 30000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
This Kirk is much younger, though. I think (or fanwank) that a lot of the more irritating personality traits, or traits that seem less connected to the original series, come from that.
§ ita § - May 26, 2013 1:37:01 pm PDT #24569 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
He hit on Uhura pretty relentlessly until he relented--it took her being taken to shut him up which is not how you're supposed to act, but there were pretty much no women who weren't potential (and then realised) partners for Shatner!Kirk.
I don't see how there's any difficulty with drawing a line from this Kirk to the one we watched in TOS--it doesn't take much more than time and growing up since I don't see that he's starting from way behind.
I like TOS Star Trek, but I never liked Kirk. I found him really obnoxious, smug, and irritating. It also wasn't a stellar (ho ho) example of deft storytelling or character development or, god forbid, worldbuilding. Those things were refined from the Next Generation onwards. And not always achieved either.
Atropa - May 26, 2013 1:40:56 pm PDT #24570 of 30000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.
I thought ST:ID was fun, in the dumb, things blowing up, those people are all very decorative way. But I also understand why Trek fans are angry about it, and I feel the writing was lazy.
Matt the Bruins fan - May 26, 2013 2:27:14 pm PDT #24571 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Just got back from a matinee of Fast 6, and I think I enjoyed it more than the Iron Man movie this summer. Despite all the Peter pan-style action by various people and vehicles, the only thing that really broke my suspension of disbelief was Shaw and his men being released on the Rock's say-so after attacking military targets and turning God knows how many Spanish civillians into road pizza with a stolen tank.
Jessica - May 26, 2013 3:16:34 pm PDT #24572 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
If ST is supposed to convey an egalitarian future, in comparison to the present day, Pine is failing rather more than Shatner did.
This entire sentence, honestly, is exactly what JJ doesn't get about Trek.
Connie Neil - May 26, 2013 3:35:54 pm PDT #24573 of 30000
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Trek is supposed to be the future done with hope. Not just witch explosions and sex.
§ ita § - May 26, 2013 3:53:43 pm PDT #24574 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think JJ is completely unconcerned with the idealism that pervaded TOS, and even washed over onto TNG a great deal.
But just because DS9 wasn't all happy shiny through and through (with the Federation also vulnerable to 21st century human frailties) doesn't mean the culture wasn't operating from a different base set of assumptions.
JJ's biggest miss, IMO, is that although there are shiny pretty things that make the future look like a fun place to live, there's no hint of the utopia that Gene was fervently attached to. Most of the complaints I see about how he's fucked up leave me mildly bewildered, but this idealism is the important thing I think they miss. You can lay action and intrigue on top of it, although I think most of the ST movies are actually pretty uninteresting, with DS9 as a guide to one approach.
I don't think he's trashing a noble movie heritage because I think there have only been a couple that are good good, but he is missing the point of the entire franchise.