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Buffista Movies 7: Brides for 7 Samurai  

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Jessica - May 22, 2013 4:09:03 am PDT #24456 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

OH MY GOD THIS THIS THIS:

If Khan is from the 1990's, and Starfleet knows all about the Eugenics Wars, can't they duplicate what would surely be a very simple 'augmentation' on Kirk's own blood? Like, with basic medical equipment and an encyclopedia?

It's like if we suddenly realized from a frozen caveman that leeches cure cancer, and instead of just BREEDING SOME GODDAMN LEECHES, we defrosted one frozen cave-leech and cured one guy. SO DUMB.


§ ita § - May 22, 2013 6:34:57 am PDT #24457 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I am glad though, that the solution did NOT involve a mad quest to get their hands on the toxin and then taking an hour and a half to create (and thoroughly test, natch) an antidote. I mean, the fact that they'd establish you could pretty much just use what you got...yeah, cheap anyway. Just, could have been cheaper.

I question this part of the FAQ, though:

hasn’t Trek always at least nominally tried to get science right?

What Trek masterpieces do people think used to exist? Am I from the future with Eric Bana and that's why I don't remember these narrative and scientific masterpieces?


Matt the Bruins fan - May 22, 2013 7:39:15 am PDT #24458 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

hasn’t Trek always at least nominally tried to get science right?

As compared to what? The Flintstones?


Zenkitty - May 22, 2013 10:18:39 am PDT #24459 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Yeah, the next movie better make mention of how nobody's ever gonna die anymore.

Felicia Day posted a rant about how no girls did anything special (bwuh? okay) including ranting about how the Special Council convened after the first attack was "all old white men"! For the record, it wasn't. I saw the movie again last night and that group of Starfleet's Top Men included at least five women, several people of color, and at least one non-human. That's a case of seeing what you wanted to see, Ms. Day.


§ ita § - May 22, 2013 10:40:36 am PDT #24460 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The girls did scream though. Which bugged me. And I do think we were pretty underpowered. There weren't too many roles of agency outside of the named players, but--beef up what Uhura does and make her a tad less pouty and less proof that you shouldn't fuck your shipmate (Kirk is also similar proof, but thankfully consistently blocked) and consider making either Robocop or Mickey female since they're new to the viewer.

And no, I don't care if that makes women villains. We can do that too.


Jessica - May 22, 2013 10:43:21 am PDT #24461 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Did any of the non-white-non-male-non-humans in that scene have lines, though? Present in the background is a pretty low bar for diversity.

I was bugged that, once again, the apparently super-competent female scientist felt the need to randomly change clothes in front of Kirk. These movies have at least as much male eye candy as female, but do we ever get to see Zachary Quinto in his underwear? Fair's fair, JJ!


Polter-Cow - May 22, 2013 10:46:54 am PDT #24462 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Damon Lindelof addresses your second point.


Zenkitty - May 22, 2013 11:17:28 am PDT #24463 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Did any of the
non-white-non-male-non-humans in that scene have lines, though? Present in the background is a pretty low bar for diversity.

They did not, but in fairness, no one in that scene spoke except Kirk, Pike, and Marcus. Everyone else was background. Even Spock didn't have any lines, although he got to emote some.

In this brave new universe, Spock emotes. A lot. He's emoted more in two movies than he did in three seasons of the tv show. This is not the old Spock. I don't dislike it, exactly, but it bothers me a bit. With all his talk of getting rid of his feelings, he's pretty emotional.


Dana - May 22, 2013 11:47:06 am PDT #24464 of 30000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I noticed the same thing Felicia Day noticed, but I also appreciated the black helmswoman who took over for Chekov (or, wait, Sulu's at the helm, so I guess she's the navigator) and the general diversity of characters on the bridge.


le nubian - May 22, 2013 2:22:00 pm PDT #24465 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I did not know that After Earth was a film by M. Night Shyamalan. Beau *hates* Will Smith, so I knew I wasn't going to see this film in the theater. The trailers made it look unappealing.

But the M. Night shit? Wow. I may not even watch this on TNT.