I've seen every Trek episode other than Enterprise, but most of the things I like, the executions I like, are TNG and later.

Me too, ita.

The funniest thing at our showing happened while the credits were rolling. An older American woman in the row behind us said, "Am I supposed to know who Benedict Cumberbatch is?" She pronounced "-batch" really weirdly, sort of like "baaahtch". She said it again. "Am I supposed to know who Benedict Cumberbaahtch is?!".

I briefly considered turning around and saying, "So, don't watch much British TV, do you?", but I was suppressing laughter too hard so I let her be. I do hope she's IMDb'd by now.

I loved the Trekkiness of the new movie and most of the execution (particularly liked the scenes where Khan and Spock are running through SF). The relentless lens flare and the martial nature of the film bothered me a bit; one sodding action sequence after another. OK! I get it already! I really really do hope they go more explore-y for the next one. Though with Abrams moving to Star Wars, who knows when a next one will be? I expect somebody else will direct it.

I do think the tying in of the new Trekverse to the old and filling the movies with in-jokes for the oldies and other stuff for the newbies is one of the new franchises' strengths. My favourite was: Kirk: "Go put on a red shirt". Chekov: gulps .

An older American woman in the row behind us said, "Am I supposed to know who Benedict Cumberbatch is?"

In the grand scheme of things, madame, no not really. He's just an actor. It's not all that important, when you really think about it. Supposed to know how to go about your daily business, take care of yourself, do your job, or what to do in case of fire? Probably yes. Supposed to know who Benedict Cumberbatch is? A matter of priority and personal preference, I guess. But this conversation has gotten awfully weighty for apres-cinema discussion, wouldn't you say?

I guess I didn't really say last night that I liked it -- I have no real tie to the TV series (I don't think I've ever seen an entire episode of any of the iterations of the TV series) or the movies, though I've seen a handful of the movies (Wrath of Khan was ubiquitous on cable when I was a kid).

I think the plot was a little weak, and yet it still made more sense than the bad guy's M.O. in Iron Man 3.

I really like the cast -- I think stepping into the roles from TOS must have been daunting as hell, but honestly, Pine and Quinto and Urban are really fantastic. (I guess that's more of a comment related to the rebooted franchise as a whole, but still, it struck me last night how they weren't trying to ape Shatner and Nimoy and Kelley -- some dialogue aside -- but still inhabited the characters in a way that was familiar.)

It was entertaining, definitely. I just don't think the film earned the Khaaaaaaaan bellow or, really the inversion of the Wrath of Khan death scene.

Also, that far in the future, would "Throw me under the bus" still be slang, with the exact same meaning?

Probably not but we have some very silly slang that no longer works I the current vernacular.

Honestly though if you open that can of worms it's probably too easy to understand most of what they are saying considering the changed language tends to make over hundreds of years.

I'm actually not a fan of Chris Pine's Kirk. Mostly it's the voice - whatever else you can say about Shatner, his voice is commanding. Pine's is so high and squeaky in comparison that lines like "I was authorized to end you!" just come off like a whiny teen trying to sound like a real grown-up.

I'm trying to think of an equivalent 300 year-old slang term that we still use today. I guess in the 24th century they still do have buses, so maybe it would have persisted?

We still say "dead as a doornail," which is apparently from Shakespeare, and what's a doornail, anyway? (I gooogled up this.)

I briefly considered turning around and saying, "So, don't watch much British TV, do you?", but I was suppressing laughter too hard so I let her be. I do hope she's IMDb'd by now.

My cousin didn't know who he was -- she was like "Ohhhh" when I said Sherlock.

but still, it struck me last night how they weren't trying to ape Shatner and Nimoy and Kelley -- some dialogue aside -- but still inhabited the characters in a way that was familiar.

That must be a change for Urban in this movie. He full-out Jim Carrey/Andy Kaufmanned Deforest Kelley in the first movie. It was amazingly good, but freaky.

But this conversation has gotten awfully weighty for apres-cinema discussion, wouldn't you say?

Sean, that was exactly my point. The phrasing was so weird. (Well, that and the pronunciation). Of course she wasn't supposed to know who BC was. But he obviously made such an impression, she felt like she was missing out somehow, or something.

The man has that effect on people.

but still, it struck me last night how they weren't trying to ape Shatner and Nimoy and Kelley -- some dialogue aside -- but still inhabited the characters in a way that was familiar.

That must be a change for Urban in this movie. He full-out Jim Carrey/Andy Kaufmanned Deforest Kelley in the first movie. It was amazingly good, but freaky.

Well, Urban didn't strike me as being a freaky (but good) version of DeForest Kelley, and I'm sure that largely has to do with how little Star Trek (TOS and the movies) I've watched. So it's entirely possible he continued the freaky in STiD, and I just don't see it in his performance.

Unrelated to Karl Urban, I noticed in the credits, Chris Hemsworth was listed in the credits as George Kirk. I didn't leave the movie to pee (so I saw the whole thing), but I don't remember him at all. Was it when Kirk was waking up, you know, post-death, and the audio was a bunch of snippets of dialogue? Was some of that maybe George Kirk? Because otherwise I don't know why Hemsworth made it into the credits.

(In other words, if I see Thor's name in the credits, I would like to see his fine, fine ass on the screen please.)

Also -- was there a post-credits scene? Because the friends we saw it with pulled out their smartphones, consulted the internet, said that whatever site they were looking at said there was no post-credits scene, and then booked out of there.

If Nick Fury showed up to have a badass coat throwdown with Khan and I missed it, I will cry.