On a pseudo-tangent, the societal value that "life is precious!" irks me, because I'm always tempted to say, "Yes, it is, so why did however many African children just die of starvation while you bleated out your sermon?" Also, which life? Because I can buy life at the pet store for thirty-nine cents and feed it to the piranha they keep in the other aquarium.

Thank you. I needed that reply in my argument vocabulary.

I am now in love with the phrase "cookie shame." Thank you, Calli.

Heh. My first thought was That Would Make a Good Band Name.

I'm going to have some Snickers ice cream bar shame this afternoon.

I do not give one crap if anyone I know plays 18 hours of WoW while eating pizzas and chain-smoking. I'm not the arbiter of anyone's lifestyle.

What about helmet or seatbelt laws?

If someone chooses not to do something that I, personally, do, it's really not my place to get in their face about it.

Though I'd hardly equate seatbelt laws with thinking someone shouldn't play 18 hours of WoW.

If someone chooses not to do something that I, personally, do, it's really not my place to get in their face about it.

Hmm, so you don't think we should legislate those things? What about speed limits? I see a difference in personal choices, like how one spends one's time or what one eats, but once one gets out in public, it's different, for me at least.

If someone chooses not to do something that I, personally, do, it's really not my place to get in their face about it.

Yeah, but then you get into issues of the cost to taxpayers.

If someone chooses not to do something that I, personally, do, it's really not my place to get in their face about it.

Hmm, so you don't think we should legislate those things? What about speed limits?

Yeah, my reaction to that statement was that it could be taken to mean that we shouldn't have any laws or rules about anything; everyone should be allowed to do what they want. I don't think Tep is an anarchist, but I don't know.

I'm finding this discussion interesting, by the by, even though I don't have useful thoughts.

I don't know, shame is just generally not useful. It doesn't really stop anyone from doing anything, it just makes us hide it. Aside from where you land in individual rights vs. community standards.

What about speed limits? I see a difference in personal choices, like how one spends one's time or what one eats, but once one gets out in public, it's different, for me at least.

I agree.

Heh. My first thought was That Would Make a Good Band Name.

That Would Make a Good Band Name would make a good band name.

I see a difference in personal choices, like how one spends one's time or what one eats, but once one gets out in public, it's different, for me at least.

i.e, being secular girl and live in Jerusalem. I don't dress flashy, but the looks I sometime get makes me feel really bad about myself, while I'm not trying to provoke any scene, just walking in the street. Because having old men spitting at the sidewalk when you walk near them is such a great greeting. I try to keep from those places as much as I can, but sometimes the banks I need are there.