Sooner or later, you're gonna want it. And the second — the second — that happens, you know I'll be there. I'll slip in, have myself a real good day.

Spike ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Spike's Bitches 44: It's about the rules having changed.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Trudy Booth - Jun 29, 2009 7:22:46 am PDT #14497 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Also, books are unusual in that regard - movies, TV shows and video games ALL come with "This Beautiful Unique Creative Snowflake has been rated Z for strong language, sexual situtions, and explicit use of the color orange" warnings on them.

True. But that is a pretty recent innovation. I mean, its certainly had its merits, but I don't know if its fair to declare that a default. Particularly for a form which is far more like a form with no warnings at all.


tommyrot - Jun 29, 2009 7:23:29 am PDT #14498 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Except then there are authors who feel that even the presence of a whitefonted warning gives something away.

Maybe use orangefont?


Jessica - Jun 29, 2009 7:23:41 am PDT #14499 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

(And, really, I don't think you need to be more explicit than 'deals with potentially triggery issues' in your warning - something generic and heads-up-ish would be fine, surely, without spoiling one's storytelling.)

THIS.

Granted, I'm coming at this from the perspective of a spoiler-ho who doesn't read much fic, but my general feeling is - if your work can't stand up to the kind of vague minor spoilers we're talking about? It probably needs rewriting anyway.


erikaj - Jun 29, 2009 7:23:50 am PDT #14500 of 30000
"already on the kiss-cam with Karl Marx"-

wrod. I don't know, Connie, how much do they discuss it in the story? If they do, I might, but if you're too crazy about that, every story about fictional abuse survivor Tim Bayliss should have a warning on it(Many of them ought to anyway, but that's more a 95% of everything is crap thing.)


Fay - Jun 29, 2009 7:28:31 am PDT #14501 of 30000
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

God, 95% of everything is crap, isn't it? I do find that the majority of the stories I click on in SPN have me hitting the back button within a paragraph.

sighs

It's not that I don't grok that there are lots of attractive people on the show, because, yes, I am shallow - but, ffs, I'd so much rather read them in-character chatting over coffee than out of character shagging.


Laura - Jun 29, 2009 7:29:35 am PDT #14502 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

Is there any talk of adopting a Not!Warning warning? Something along the lines of: For creative purposes I do not give warnings on my stories. Please ask a friend who is aware of your concerns to read it first.

This makes sense. Also, it might be possible to have a generic may or may not contain rape, murder, incest, orange. Drop me a note if you want to know more.


erikaj - Jun 29, 2009 7:32:51 am PDT #14503 of 30000
"already on the kiss-cam with Karl Marx"-

Yes, Fay, this. It's enough to give a woman eternal bleeding.


Connie Neil - Jun 29, 2009 7:36:04 am PDT #14504 of 30000
brillig

The generic warning sounds like a good compromise. God knows I've heeded various warnings in the past--and wished for some that weren't there--and respect people's concerns, but as a writer I can see myself wondering "Will this bother someone?" everytime I go somewhere gritty. Sometimes gritty is just there for the shock factor but sometimes gritty is necessary, and sadly that means it's a story that should be skipped by certain people. Sucks to be human, sometimes.


tommyrot - Jun 29, 2009 7:37:01 am PDT #14505 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

BOO!!

runs away....


Laura - Jun 29, 2009 7:47:18 am PDT #14506 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

Moooooommmmm, tommyrot oranged meeeeeee.