I'm just waiting to see if I pass out. Long story.

Mal ,'Heart Of Gold'


Spike's Bitches 44: It's about the rules having changed.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Steph L. - Jun 29, 2009 7:14:16 am PDT #14484 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

but the first thing (almost only thing) in the kerfuffle that I read was a very compelling essay by a woman who's a survivor of quite appalling abuse

That was...I have no words for it. What she went through was unthinkable, and that she was willing to post about it makes me think she's about the strongest person on the planet.

a vague books-don't-do-this-shit mindset

But, with books, someone with triggers can at least go to Amazon, and most of the time, the reviews will include vague allusions to (but also sometimes spoilery descriptions of) big ugly triggery stuff. So if that reader wanted info, they could get it. Fanfic doesn't have that equivalent.


Trudy Booth - Jun 29, 2009 7:14:35 am PDT #14485 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I can see both sides of that kerfuffle (well, obviously not the extremely assy behaviors). I wouldn't want to give away plot points and screw up my foreshadowing (Is this the scary dramatic part? Is THIS the scary dramatic part?) but people shouldn't be risking nightmares and panic attacks over some light reading either.

Is there any talk of adopting a Not!Warning warning? Something along the lines of: For creative purposes I do not give warnings on my stories. Please ask a friend who is aware of your concerns to read it first.


Steph L. - Jun 29, 2009 7:16:33 am PDT #14486 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Is there any talk of adopting a Not!Warning warning? Something along the lines of: For creative purposes I do not give warnings on my stories. Please ask a friend who is aware of your concerns to read it first.

That's one suggestion people have floated.

Another is using whitefont (or some other color-on-color spoiler font, where a person would have to highlight it to read it) for warnings. (Except then there are authors who feel that even the presence of a whitefonted warning gives something away.)


Jessica - Jun 29, 2009 7:18:07 am PDT #14487 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Also, books are unusual in that regard - movies, TV shows and video games ALL come with "This Beautiful Unique Creative Snowflake has been rated Z for strong language, sexual situtions, and explicit use of the color orange" warnings on them.


Connie Neil - Jun 29, 2009 7:18:36 am PDT #14488 of 30000
brillig

I'm not sure where the line should be drawn re: fears of triggering. If you've got a scene of explicit nastiness, that's obvious, but if you're referring to nastiness in a character's past without anything explicit, is that something to be warned about? IE, if a character is being raped, put a warning. If a character has been raped before the story occurs, does that warrant a warning? Does it depend on how well the character is coping?


javachik - Jun 29, 2009 7:18:51 am PDT #14489 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

Yeah, with books, generally, one can glean the topics from either the back cover summary, or the blurbs from the folks recommending it.


tommyrot - Jun 29, 2009 7:18:55 am PDT #14490 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

"This Beautiful Unique Creative Snowflake has been rated Z for strong language, sexual situtions, and explicit use of the color orange"

NATLBSB!


Tom Scola - Jun 29, 2009 7:19:28 am PDT #14491 of 30000
hwæt

NATLBSB!

Heh.


Barb - Jun 29, 2009 7:20:09 am PDT #14492 of 30000
“Not dead yet!”

Yeah, with books, generally, one can glean the topics from either the back cover summary, or the blurbs from the folks recommending it.

And you still wind up with authors acting like complete asshats (Alice Hoffman, I'm looking at you) because they take exception that a reviewer didn't like their book and "spoiled the plot."


Steph L. - Jun 29, 2009 7:20:44 am PDT #14493 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

"This Beautiful Unique Creative Snowflake has been rated Z for strong language, sexual situtions, and explicit use of the color orange"

Yeah, I've never noticed Quentin Tarantino crying "But, but, MAH ARTISTIC INTEGRITEEEEEEEEE!!!!!"