Imagine a Michael who comes out honestly about his childhood, and makes child abuse a huge cause of his. I think he could have easily had the power to shine a light on it.

Donny Bonaduce seemed to be briefly heading in that direction, then backed off.

So even apart from abuse the question of abuse he was damaging children?

I think so. As I noted above, he did expose himself to younger children and he did sleep and cuddle with kids that weren't his children at his place. Those are damaging breaches of boundaries.

But you can't say "he's not a pedophile, he's really an arrested 10 y.o. because he's trying to recreate his childhood" since the person emotionally arrested at age 10 and the pedophile have that trait in common.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Because they have that trait in common, you can't say that the person is NOT a pedophile?

Being emotionally arrested is not what makes someone a pedophile. Sexually abusing children *is.*

I think the degree of abuse was more severe, possibly started earlier, and he never cut ties or broke away from it. I also think there was untreated mental illness that in later days was compounded by substance abuse.

I expect this of every mentally competent adult.

So do I. But I don't think from the available evidence that Jackson was, in point of fact, a mentally competent adult.

I painted my nails last night but was too lazy to apply a top coat, and now they look all smoodgy. Bleh.

Always have a quick dry top coat on hand! Always!

That he could believe that his lack of boundaries (at the very least) was not damaging to other children.

This is my thing. I can buy the "regressed 10-yr-old" argument, and in a lot of ways it rings true. But even if you posited no out-and-out sexual molestation, there is no question he made a habit of behaving in wildly inappropriate ways around vulnerable children who were damaged by it. No question.

Of course not. But you can't say "he's not a pedophile, he's really an arrested 10 y.o. because he's trying to recreate his childhood" since the person emotionally arrested at age 10 and the pedophile have that trait in common.

I'm not saying that, the actual Psychologist who actually examined him and his accuser for the City of Los Angeles is saying that after extensive study and analysis. You can't dismiss his assessment with "Yeah, but pedophiles do that too."

Problem is, Sean, as uniquely fucked up and insulated as MJ's life was, he still has a moral obligation to examine his actions and know their consequences.

I agree. I agree completely. I'm think I'm just considering the possibility that his life was, in some ways, more comparable to Caligula's or Nero's, and look how they turned out.

I expect this of every mentally competent adult.

I'm not convinced he was mentally competent. As Barb notes, there does seem to be some indicators of dissociation.

I'm just considering the possibility that his life was, in some ways, more comparable to Caligula's or Nero's, and look how they turned out.

I officially am in love with Sean's spicy brains.

he did expose himself to younger children and he did sleep and cuddle with kids that weren't his children at his place. Those are damaging breaches of boundaries.

I agree.

I can't bring myself to be sad at his passing. I mourned for Michael years ago.

I think so. As I noted above, he did expose himself to younger children and he did sleep and cuddle with kids that weren't his children at his place. Those are damaging breaches of boundaries.

Actually, the exposure wasn't proven or he wouldn't have been acquitted. You can THINK he exposed himself to younger children, but you can't assume it as a fact if you're talking about "apart from the abuse allegations".

Which leaves the sleeping and cuddling. It is deffinately a questionable boundary. I can't say it is deffinately damaging, however. Ten people in jammies in bed watching Disney films and eating junk food isn't necessarily the stuff of emotional scars.